The Houses Mystery

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--- In HPforGrownups at y..., "Christopher Nuttall" 
<christopher_g_nuttall at h...> wrote:
> The Houses Mystery
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Hi, I'm new to this group. I'm sixteen (seventeen in a couple of 
months). I hope no-one minds me jumping in to answer this


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> I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, but I don't get as 
much time as I would like to read pervious messages.  
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> I've often been puzzled by the contradiction between Hagrid's 
assertion that all the dark wizards came from Sythenian house and the 
existence of Peter Pettigrew, who was a close friend of James Potter 
and a dark wizard, betraying them.  If he was, as is genially 
assumed, in Gryfindor, then he should not have been a dark wizard, 
and if he was in Sythenian, why would he and James be friends?  Harry 
and Co. appear to have no close friends from any of the other 
houses.    I think I have solved that problem.
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The only reference we get to the Dark Wizard/Slytherin theory are all 
through biased characters. Hagrid was the first wizard that Harry has 
contact with (or at least remembers having contact with). It is 
natural that he will believe Hagrid's assertion. Hagrid himself has a 
particular bias against Slytherin as he was expelled when Dippet 
believed him to be the heir of Slytherin. I don't know if Hagrid 
links Tom Riddle with Voldemort though but that is for another 
thread. 

Peter suits either Gryffindor or Slytherin, maybe Ravenclaw. The only 
house that he does not suit is Hufflepuff. He is mocked for his 
supposed cowardice yet he has done many brave things, albeit for 
evil. A lesser man would not have had the nerve to face Sirius after 
betraying the Potters, they would have gone underground. But Peter 
allowed Sirius a chance to fight and Sirius lost. He also allowed 
himself excruciating pain to get Voldemort back to power, the way he 
cut his arm off shows a brave man and to completely fool Dumbledore 
and whole wizarding community shows the actions of an intelligent man 
who has a knack for survival. He also became an Animagus and with or 
without help, it is a difficult skill to master



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> If you want, like Voldemort, to be a dark wizard, you need ambition 
and the willingness to bend or break the rules in pursuit of your 
goal.  All Sythenian traits, but you don't have to be evil to bend 
the rules; Barty Crouch Sr. was prepared to order the use of the 
unforgivable curses to fight Voldemort, and Sirus defined him as 
powerful and ambitious, all Sythenian traits.  We don't know for sure 
what house he was in, but I'll bet ten gallons (I'd better win, I 
don't have ten gallons) that he was a Sythenian.
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I agree. I don't think all Slytherins are evil, a word which you 
cannot define Crouch snr. Sirius' evidence may not be appropriate for 
full analysis as he's view is somewhat biased with the circumstances 
surrounded his arrest and sentence but Crouch's behaviour in the 
Pensieve, locking away his own son to push himself towards the top of 
the ladder, shows the actions of a man with ruthless ambition

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> Now, Barty Crouch Jr, who bravely attempted to free Voldemort and 
lied for him (something Hermione did for Harry) and therefore 
exhibited Gryfindor traits.  Was he in Gryfindor?  We don't know, but 
I suspect that he was.  
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Barty Crouch jnr is extremely complex (thread coming up on that). He 
has a potential match with any of the houses. 

Gryffindor - To have the audacity to masquarade as the best friend of 
the greatest wizard of all time, to challenge Moody, to risk a 
certain death if you're caught... it takes a certain bravery

Hufflepuff = His loyalty to Voldemort. On the surface he is 
Voldemort's most loyal servant. No-one said that being loyal meant 
that you were good

Ravenclaw = Twelve OWLS. Fantastic acting ability to have the 
intelligence to fool Dumbledore

Slytherin = Wants to be close to Voldemort and will do anything to 
get there


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> Snape, who was in Sythenian, showed no loyalty to Voldemort and 
betrayed him to Dumbledore.  Lucis Malfloy did not search for 
Voldemort either.  
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Loyalty is not a general Slytherin quality, that's more on the 
Hufflepuff side of the coin. There must have been a very good reason 
for Snape to play with his life, leaving Voldemort is full power, 
knowing full well he could die, to support Dumbledore. The popular 
theory that floats around on  fan fics and other boards is that (and 
I'm sure everyone's probably heard it) that Snape was in love with 
Lily. Its possible but JKR has publicly said that there was no love 
triangle between Snape/Lily/James so maybe not


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> Therefore, I think that only the boss dark wizards have to be in 
Sythenian, such as Tom Riddle, and they corrupt the other houses, 
using their traits to ensnare them.
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I disagree with this. Look at Crabbe and Goyle. They are not leaders 
by any stetch of the imagination. Even Malfoy is not really a leader 
as he blindly follows his father's beliefs. 


"Daniel"