[HPforGrownups] Re: Trusting Dumbledore (was: Snape and Dumbledores trust)

[Troels Forchhammer]

No: HPFGUIDX 54759

At 05:49 04-04-03 +0000, greatlit2003 wrote:
>--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Troels Forchhammer
><t.forch at m...> wrote:
> > JKR: Well, it would be nice, but - I'll tell you something - you
> >       - you've raised a really interesting point there, Peter,
> >       because when I started writing the books, the first thing I
> >       had to decide was not what /can/ do, but what it /can't/ do.
> >       I had to set limits on it - immediately, and decide what the
> >       parameters are ... and one of the most important I - I
> >       decided was that _magic__cannot__bring__dead__people__back
> >       to life; that' - that's one of the most profound things, the
> >       - the natural law of - of - of death applies to wizards as
> >       it applies to Muggles and there is no returning once you're
> >       properly dead, you know, they might be able to save very
> >       close-to-death people better than we can, by magic - that
> >       they - that they have certain knowledge we don't, but once
> >       you're dead, you're dead.
> >       So - erm - yeah, I'm afraid there will be no coming back
> >       fro- for Harry's parents
> >
>
>I think that the ending of PoA was not in accordance with the rules
>JKR set initially. If Buckbeak can come back from the dead,

Buckbeak does /not/ come back from the dead!
He was never killed/executed!
Harry, Ron and Hermione misinterpreted the situation when
they first heard the sounds.
PoA-16 'Professor Trelawney's Prediction' and the start
of PoA-17 'Cat, Rat and Dog':
   "  The rat was squealing wildly, but not loudly enough to cover
    up the sounds drifting from Hagrid's garden. There was a
    jumble of indistinct male voices, a silence, and then, without
    warning, the unmistakable swish and thud of an axe.
      Hermione swayed on the spot.
      'They did it!' she whispered to Harry. 'I d-don't believe it
    - they did it!' "
      Harry's mind had gone blank with shock. The three of them
    stood transfixed with horror under the Invisibility Cloak. The
    very last rays of the setting sun were casting a bloody light
    over the long- shadowed grounds. Then, behind them, they heard
    a wild howling.
      'Hagrid,' Harry muttered. Without thinking about what he was
    doing, he made to turn back, but both Ron and Hermione seized
    his arms. "
(p. 243f, Bloomsbury)
And then PoA-22 'Hermione's Secret':
   "  There was a swishing noise, and the thud of an axe. The
    executioner seemed to have swung it into the fence in anger.
    And then came the howling, and this time they could hear
    Hagrid's words through his sobs.
      'Gone! Gone! Bless his little beak, he's /gone/! Musta
    pulled himself free! Beaky, yeh clever boy!' "
(p. 294, Bloomsbury)

It really should be clear that it is the exact same sounds
they hear both times - only the second time they hear it, Harry
and Hermione are much closer and have some special knowledge so
now they can interpret the sound correctly.

Nothing that happens in chapter 22 'Hermione's Secret' changes
*any* *one* *single* *thing* in the preceding chapters.

Troels