Chalice of Fire (was GoF Leaks)

Amy Z lupinesque at yahoo.com
Sat Apr 5 11:00:56 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 54819

Rita suspected:

> I suspect that she chose the 
> title AND THE CHALICE OF FIRE and that was what the above rumor 
> monger was getting at, but having chosen the new title so quickly, 
> it had not been vetted throughly, and she had to quickly change it 
> again, to GOBLET OF FIRE, when she discovered that The Flaming 
> Chalice is the logo of the Unitarian Universalist Association (a 
> religion).

Another UU speaks up to say:  that's a cool thought, and in 
researching whether it was plausible, I did discover that the flaming 
chalice is the UK Unitarian logo as well as that of the UUA (an 
association of U.S. and Canadian congregations), and that there are 
four Unitarian churches in Scotland, including one in Edinburgh.  So 
JKR might well be familiar with this symbol.

However . . . JKR uses the word "goblet" to describe what the 
students drink out of.  There's no reason to think it ever crossed 
her mind to instead use the word "chalice" for the very special 
goblet in question.

Also, UUs know that that logo is called the flaming *chalice,* but 
wouldn't you have to walk into a church and hear people talking about 
it to discover that?  You wouldn't know it just by seeing it on a 
church sign.  Just like I don't know what the United Methodist Church 
calls that nifty logo with the cross and the flame/banner, even 
though I know what it looks like and that it's Methodist.

BTW, I played on this overlap when I led an HP-themed service (Anne's 
right, an HP service is practically de rigueur for any self-
respecting UU church).  The service is posted in the files section.

Amy Z





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