Wormtail's Wand, & It's Loss

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 54837

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Devika" <devika at s...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "plaidmouse" <PlaidMouse at k...> 
> wrote:
> >  <snip>
> > 
> > When animagi transform, their wands and robes transform with them.
> > Like when Sirius transforms into a dog, his robes and wand 
> > "disappear" and don't reappear until he transforms back into a 
> > human. 
> 

> Devika
> 
> We don't know that wizards' wands transform with them when they turn 
> into their animal forms.  It's unlikely that Sirius has a wand at 
> all, having been in Azkaban for 12 years. ...edited... 
> 
> The same principle holds for Peter.  ...edited...
> 

bboy_mn:
I said essentually the same thing in a different post. The point isn't
whether or not Sirius or Peter have a wand, but whether or not the
objects they possess transform with them. When Sirius and Peter
un-tranform, that is, resume their human form, they are both wearing
clothes as is McGonnagall when she resumes her human form, that
establishes that whatever is in their immediate and intimate
possession transforms with them; things like clothes, watches, coins,
shoes, hats, glasses and by reasonable extention of logic, even their
wands.

Being an animagus would be somewhat limiting if your clothes, wand,
and all your other possessions got left behind. Alway somewhat awkward
to transform back to human form some distance from where you started
only to find yourself naked and without a wand to conjure some new
clothes with.

 

> I thought there was a JKR interview somewhere in which she said that 
> Peter left his wand behind when he transformed into a rat in his 
> confrontation with Sirius.  
> 
> Anyway, my point is that we don't actually know whether or not 
> wizards can take their wands with them when they transform, and I 
> have a feeling that they can't.
> 
> Devika

bboy_mn:

On the subject of what happened to Peter's wand and why his clothes
were left behind.

Peter cut the finger off his right hand, that means at the time he was
holding his wand in his left hand. For the moment I will assume that
he is right handed. That makes using his wans a little awkward. Plus
he very quickly had to cut of his finger, something that would be very
tramatic, possible cast some kind of shield charm to protect him from
the blast, and then in a matter of a very few short seconds, blast a
hole deep enough into a city street to reach down to the sewers
(probably the storm sewers). Considering he was using his left hand,
and that he was under a lot of stress and trama, it's not unreasonable
to think that he may have dropped his wand when the street exploded.

As far as his robes being left behind, we know that how a spell
executes is based on and potentially modified by the wizard's intent.
Through the use of magical intent, Peter may have transformed in a way
the allowed his bloody robes to stay behind as evidence. His wand
would have also provided stronger evidence that he was dead since
wizards do not give up their wands easily.

Additionally, since this took place on a muggle street, Peter and/or
Sirius may not have been dressed in full wizard robes. Peter could
have been carrying his full wizard robes in a bundle under his arm,
and could have been wearing some robes that were a little less
conspicuous in the muggle world. We really don't have any evidence of
that but it is a reasonable speculation.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn