Trelawney's "experience"/Sirius' escape/Voldemort's wand

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 54940

Angela Evans wrote:                 
> In reference to Sirius swimming in dog-form after his escape from 
>Azkaban, JessaDrow at a... wrote:
>> Why would he need to swim though? I'm assuming that he could 
>>apparate. And while you can't onto the school grounds, he could to 
>>Hogsmead. 


  Angela replied in part:
> [
]  Sirius clearly tells Harry that he did indeed swim.  Why didn't 
>he Apparate?  Because we know that Apparition is tricky magic and 
>Sirius was extremely weak, his Animagi transformations being really 
>the only power he retained while actually in prison.  I doubt he 
>would have had the strength to Apparate.  And even if he could, I 
>would wager that if Hogwarts has anti-Apparition borders, then 
>Azkaban certainly would
.
                 

Annemehr:
I agree with Angela here, but this raises a new question: can any 
animagus apparate while in animal form?  Does an animagus need to 
sustain himself in animal form with a continuous expenditure of 
magical energy, and if so would it be too difficult to apparate at the 
same time?  Or, once he assumes animal form, can he then "relax" and 
the form is maintained until he purposefully changes back?  In this 
latter case, maybe apparation would be just as easy (or difficult) in 
either form.



Steve bboy_mn wrote:
>--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Michele Hahn 
<michele_hahn at e...> wrote:
 
> > 1. Does Priori Incantatem only show spells which worked properly ?

> bboy_mn:
<snip>.

>As far as the failed AK by Voldemort against Harry, what would you
>expect to see? No one died from the death curse so you wouldn't see
>anyones image. Given that this was the first time in known history
>that a death curse had ever failed, the result from Prior Incantatum
>would be impossible to predict.

Annemehr:

I wonder if some sort of lightening bolt shape emerging from the wand 
would be reasonable?  Of course, Harry doesn't seem to have seen 
anything of the sort, but I liked the idea.  I suppose there could 
have been an "image" of the vapor that was now Vapor!Mort - which I 
take to have been actually invisible, not misty.  Did Voldemort scream 
when it happened?  

I can come up with several ideas of what JKR might have written to 
represent the failed AK, although in fact she wrote nothing at all 
between Bertha's shade and Harry's mother or father.  Therefore, I am 
settling for an invisible vapor emerging, which noone could see, and 
I'm agreeing with Steve.


Kristen wrote:
>As I continue through my gagillionth read of GoF, I ran across this 
>curious passage (Ch 29 The Dream, p 577 US):
>
>"You were clutching your scar!"  said Professor Trelawney.  "you were 
>rolling on the floor, clutching your scar!  Come now, Potter, I have 
>experience in these matters!"
>
>Ok, this leads me to the question...  what experience?  How does 
>Trelawney have experience in curse scars?  If she had said that he 
>was "seeing" and she had experience in that, I would understand, but 
>she is suggesting that she has special knowledge with respect to 
>curse scars.  I am interested to hear how others interpret this.
>

 Steve bboy_mn replied:

 >Your answer lies two paragraphs above the one you quoted.
>"Are you alright?" he (Ron) said.
>
>"Of course he isn't!" said Professor Trelawney, looking thoroughly
>excited. Her great eyes loomed over Harry, gazing at him. "What was
>it, Potter? A premonition? An apparition? What did you see?"
>
>Premonitions, apparitions, and 'seeing' are the things Trelawney has
>experience in. She seems to understand that there is more going on
>here than a headache, and she is just dying to get Harry to talk 
>about it.

Annemehr:
So Steve supposes that Harry clutching his scar is what gives 
Trelawney the indication that Harry was having no mere nightmare but 
some kind of vision?  Yet to Kristen it seems there is more to 
Trelawney's experience in scars.  Hmmm...

Well, I don't know which it is, but *what irony* it would be that the 
very scene where *I* always think, "at last, Harry is going straight 
to Dumbledore with what is obviously important information!" is the 
very scene where he should have stopped and explored the situation 
further first!

Kristen, I bet you are right, and Trelawney is not *merely* and old 
fraud, on the same level of usefulness as Gilderoy Lockhart.  And 
really, I should have been more attentive, given the two real 
predictions we know about -- two more useful things than Lockhart had 
ever done (other than letting Ron out of having to explain his broken 
wand)!  Since your post I am thinking that Trelawney does indeed have 
some useful knowledge of divination; however, it is masked by her 
unfortunate habit (fueled by a wish to look good) of constantly 
spewing out lame predictions.  I'll be looking out for her in future!


Kristen continued:
>This is followed by the following:
>
>"My dear, you were undoubtedly stimulated by the extraordinary 
>clairvoyant vibrations of my room!" said Professor Trelawney.  "If 
>you leave now, you may lose the opportunity to see further than you 
>have ever--"
>
>This paragraph seems to be some major foreshadowing to me.  
>Apparently, in her classroom, Harry would have the opportunity to 
>explore the hidden powers of his curse scar.  Could Trelawney's 
>classroom open up some big doors for Harry to fight LV?  I think so 
>(plus I think this is the only reason for Harry to remain in 
>Divination - so that something like this could happen).

Annemehr:
I think this is an intriguing possibility.  On the other hand, she 
knows nothing of the dream which Harry had in his own room at Privet 
Drive, or the other, vaguer dreams he has also had at the Dursleys' 
and in his own dorm.

Kristen again:
>
>Another thing I would point out is that Harry usually seems to have 
>his dreams in her classroom that is hot, stuffy and the air is 
>scented...like, say, a flower bed in the middle of July.  Could the 
>flowerbed Harry is lying in in the beginning of Book 5 stimulate the 
>same response as Trelawney's classroom?
>
Annemehr:
Well, I didn't think it was the stuffiness per se that was the link, 
because the other time he dreamed like that was at the Durlseys', 
where he would have certainly had the window open if it was going to 
be stuffy.  Back when the announcement of the release of OoP came out, 
there was much discussion of who was lying in the flowerbed and why.  
I thought that it was significant that Harry's visions of what was 
happening with Voldemort always happened in a *dream*.  My (maybe 
pretty lame) theory was that Harry was outside, awake, when it was 
suddenly neccessary for him to have an important vision, and that his 
scar therefore knocked him out right where he was (so that he landed 
in the flowers), and gave it to him.

Annemehr