[HPforGrownups] Re: Hermione's Birthday; SHIP (FITD)

[pennylin]

No: HPFGUIDX 55346

Hi --

I said to Susanne, in part:
> No, FITD is not a certainty.  But,
> it sure seems she passed up a golden
> opportunity to shoot down H/H (or at
> least solidify R/H), IMHO.

Petra responded with:

<<<<So, Penny, can you actually give a good reason for JKR to shoot down ANY ship?  She's surely not 'Dread Pirate Rowling.'  ;)

JKR is a spinner of tales, strictly speaking not merely a reporter of events.  Why would she delineate with clarity and finality the eventual fate of characters in a story that she has yet to finish?>>>>>>>

I think you misunderstood, Petra.  I wasn't saying that JKR *should* have shot down one of the ships.  If you haven't been in the thick of all the shipping debates, you might not realize that one of the principal arguments of the R/H shippers is that JKR said, in one chat, "Harry and Hermione are platonic friends."  She gave this answer to the question: "Do Harry and Hermione have a date?"  I think that particular question and answer are GoF-specific.  But, if the answer of "platonic" friends was meant to apply to the entire future for Harry and Hermione, then I imagine JKR would/could have used this particular interview on the CoS DVD to put that issue to rest once and for all.  The R/H position is that JKR has indeed passed on H/H and shot down that ship long ago.  However, If R/H is so obvious and if JKR's response of "they're platonic" is meant to apply to all time, I can't imagine why she would pass up this chance to solidify her earlier response.  If, however, that chat is GoF-specific (or at least isn't all-encompassing for the rest of eternity), then I can certainly see why she would not want to divulge too much information or tie up any loose ends prematurely.  Indeed, I can see that she would want her audience to wonder.

<<<<<<<<<<<<Indulge me in my redundancy...so Penny, *can* 
you actually articulate for our edification a 
good reason that could compel JKR at this 
point in time to shoot down the ships that 
will not make it out of the docks?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No ..... see above.  I don't blame her in the least for holding her cards to her vest.  In fact, I think she has done just that, which is why I don't believe the "they're just platonic" quote is as revealing as the R/H shippers argue it is.  I think that particular quote has limited scope.  And, I think this recent interview on the DVD trumps that "they are platonic" quote, because if the "they are platonic" quote was intended to be as broad as the R/H'ers would have us believe, then it's a no-brainer that JKR would have said, "certain feelings between...er.... two of the three."  

<<<<<<<<<<And would you support her doing so if it means 
that she's gonna sink your battleSHIP?>>>>>>>>>>>

LOL!  Well, I'm not on a battleship, Petra.  But, in any case, I'll admit I thought she *was* going to sink my ship there for a second.  I could see where she was going to go with the whole "Chris foreshadowed" business, and I thought "Oh no, here we go."  But, then, elation set in.  <g>  

No, I would prefer that she not sink my ship or anyone else's.  I'd rather see this all play out in the books.  

Katy, in part:
> So basically she acknowledged that
> the 4th book is "foreshadowing" (NOT
> HINTING) towards Hr/R and acknowledges
> that Columbus hinted at it in the
> 2nd film...both of which I picked up
> on. Why would she foreshadow something
> that was not going to come to pass?

Petra: <<<<<<<<Ah but in JKR's books how do you tell 
the foreshadowing from the red herrings?  
The only difference between foreshadowing 
and red herring is that the former is 
accurate and the latter is misleading.  
Which is to say that until the big reveal, 
a good mystery leaves the readers utterly 
unable to tell which is which.>>>>>>>>>>>

*nods*   Yep, I agree with Petra on this point.  I think GoF foreshadows R-------->Hr and that it foreshadows Hr------------->Ha.  Clearly, Katy would disagree and so would Chris Columbus.  Remains to be seen how it all plays out, and I sincerely doubt it will all be resolved by the end of OoP in any case.

Penny



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