SHIPping Attitudes

derannimer susannahlm at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 15 16:15:44 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 55367

Eileen, who is probably my favorite R/H SHIPper, wrote: 

>You see, I don't primarily
>ship R/Hr because I like it, though I do moderately. I
>ship it because that's what I see in canon. I see NO
>indication of H/Hr in canon. Absolutely none, and
>believe me, I've looked.

>But, here's the problem, there is a feeling present in
>many H/Hr posts including your own that R/Hers are
>arrogant in refusing to consider any possibility than
>their own ship. After all, H/Hers recognize that there
>is R/Hr indications in canon. Why can't the other side
>return the favour?

>Well, because we don't see it. It's not a matter of
>arrogance. It's the fact that we honestly do NOT see
>it. And, if we take it as assumed in canon
>speculation, that's because we've made an honest
>decision to assume it. I really don't see what is so
>wrong with that.

Oh, Eileen, *nothing.* There is nothing wrong with that. There is 
nothing wrong with saying: "I plain don't see any evidence for H/H."

What there *is* something wrong with saying, and what a lot of  
R/Hers--though obviously not often on *this* list--*are* saying, 
is: "I plain don't see any evidence for H/H and the only reason that 
you do is that you are a wishfully thinking idiot." 

See, there's nothing wrong with saying you see no evidence for a 
theory, as long as you acknowledge that someone else *does* see it, 
and that they aren't necessarily doing so from sheer intellectual 
dishonesty. (See Angua's recent assertion that one could only be H/H 
from--paraphrase--a "stubborn romanticizing and eroticizing impulse.")

Now, obviously, this sort of thing goes on all the time in all 
SHIPping discussions--but I truly do think that the R/Hers are worse 
this way, largely because R/H is the more popular SHIP, and because 
GOF was a very R/H book. 

But then, I might only think that because I'm FITD-cum-H/H. 

<shrugs>

What can I say? In this darn SHIPping conversation, we are none of us 
free from our biases. 



Derannimer (who would like to point out that Eileen herself has 
never, to Derannimer's recollection, once insulted H/H, or H/Hers)





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