The Gleam of Something Like Triumph (WAS: HP and LV die together?)

erisedstraeh2002 erisedstraeh2002 at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 15 17:48:33 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 55376

Liz Martin asked:

> In turn making Harry his [Voldemort's] downfall. That possibly if 
> he kills Harry that he will also die? 

and the Catlady responded:

> I think that Voldemort and Harry got their lives bound together, so 
> that the only way either one of them can die is if both of them 
> die, but I think that happened when Voldemort used Harry's blood 
> for his re-embodiment spell. That's my theory of the gleam in 
> Dumbledore's eye: it appeared when Dumbledore heard that Voldemort 
> had made himself mortal, possible to be killed, and was replaced by 
> the weary look when he realised that it would involve Harry's 
> death. 

Now me:

I have a similar, but slightly different, theory on the "gleam of 
something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes."  I also think that the 
gleam was triggered by Dumbledore's realization that by using Harry's 
blood in the regeneration potion, Voldemort could now be killed, and 
that the gleam vanished almost instantly, replaced by the "old and 
weary" look, when Dumbledore realized that Harry's death would be 
required in order to vanquish Voldemort.

However, I don't believe that the reason why Voldemort can now be 
killed is because Voldemort has made himself mortal.  I think the 
reason the gleam appears is because Dumbledore realizes something 
that has not occurred to Voldemort.  And Voldemort already knows that 
he's lost his immortality, as he admits quite openly in the 
graveyard: "I was willing to embrace mortal life again, before 
chasing immortal.  I set my sights lower...I would settle for my old 
body back again, and my old strength" (GoF, Ch. 33).

And also - it's the use of Harry's blood that triggers the gleam.  
While it's not explicitly stated in GoF, presumably Harry informed 
Dumbledore of Wormtail cutting his hand off for the potion before he 
got to the part about Wormtail piercing his arm.  So it's not the use 
of human flesh or human blood that triggers the gleam, IMO - it's the 
use of *Harry's* blood.

So, here's what I think - I think that Voldemort will now perform his 
various immortality spells and believe himself incapable of being 
killed.  And I think he won't be able to be killed by anyone except 
Harry, because something about using Harry's blood in the 
regeneration potion will allow Harry to kill him when no one else 
can.  But I also think that when Harry kills him, Harry will die as 
well - once again, due to the link between Harry and Voldemort 
created by the taking of Harry's blood for the potion.

There is one slight problem with this theory, which is that I don't 
believe Harry capable of murder.  He wouldn't let Sirius and Remus 
kill Pettigrew in the Shrieking Shack; he didn't try an Avada Kedavra 
curse on Voldemort or any of the other DEs in the graveyard.  So I 
think that Harry will wind up killing Voldemort unintentionally.  So 
while I'll be very sad to see Harry die, at least we'll be spared his 
guilt.

~Phyllis





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