How to deal with HP deaths (was Re: HP and LV die together?)

[draco382]

No: HPFGUIDX 55381

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <
annemehr at y...> wrote:

> On the other hand, and without taking the time to page through 
all the 
> books, I can think of very many things that seem to point toward 
> Harry's death.  There is the fact that Bane was angry at Firenze 
for 
> saving Harry from Quirrell!Mort in the Forbidden Forest.  He 
seemed to 
> imply that Harry's death was written in the stars and that 
Firenze 
> should not be opposing that.  At the end of CoS, when 
Hermione asks if 
> Harry's aunt and uncle wouldn't be proud of the things he's 
done, 
> Harry replies, "Proud?  Are you crazy?  All those times I couldv'e 
> died, and I didn't manage it?  They'll be furious...."  Well, how 
many 
> times will Harry have the chance to die -- aren't we afraid that 
he 
> *will* manage it eventually?  People do tell him, in every book, 
that 
> he will be meeting the same sticky end as his parents, that 
he'll be 
> joining his "mudblood" mother and "arrogant" father soon.
> 
> There are all Professor Trelawney's predictions for Harry's 
demise -- 
> and then we find out that she indeed does have *some* ability 
to make 
> predictions (and you know, she was right about Neville's 
teacup and 
> Hermione's leaving around Easter time).  Even Ron and 
Harry's made-up 
> predictions are noted for coming true, and there are deaths 
there.  
> Ron's Parrot!wand cuts off the head of Harry's Fish!wand in 
Professor 
> McGonagall's class in GoF.  At Christmas dinner, (PoA, is it?) 
the 
> boys get up from a table of thirteen.  How do we take this?  
Since 
> they got up at the same time as far as anyone can tell, are they 
both 
> doomed?  Or, since one of them may be presumed to have 
gotten up 
> first, does it apply to only that one?  Do we dare dismiss what 
> Trelawney says as utter nonsense?

Me:
I'm one of the resident lurkers, but when i saw this topic (one of 
my favorites) I had to pop up to put in my two cents.   There HAVE 
been entirely too many hints (subtle and not so subtle) that Harry 
is destined for "greatness" as pointed out in PS, but  also 
perhaps a "sticky end" in the process.  However, I have also 
gotten the acute impression JKR is trying to say that the future is 
never written in stone, and that one can change the course of 
events if they believe in their cause strongly enough.   There is of 
course the negative portrayals we've seen of forture tellers...the 
Centaurs (the half horse/half man guys in the Forbidden 
Forest...i don't remember what they were called) are described 
by Hagrid as "ruddy stargazers."  No need to go over the various 
names Trelawny has been given by many characters.  
Before HRH go to get the Philosopher's Stone in PS, Harry gives 
a speech that goes something like, "...He killed my parents!  I'll 
never go to the dark side..."  (i'm sorry, i don't have my copy of PS 
with me)  One of the many reason's i love Harry is his strong will-
power, and of all the examples, this one stands out to me the 
most.  When he says he's not going to the dark side, I beleive it.   
I believe he does have the power to change the future with, if 
nothing else, his strength of mind, determination, etc..  
I get the feeling that JKR throws in these little hints of Harry's 
"sticky end" just so she can prove to us that when push comes to 
shove, no one can make or break Harry's future besides Harry 
himself.

annemehr says: 
> In the Graveyard, Voldemort is revived with a potion containing 
> Harry's blood.  Isn't this reminiscent of the first book, where 
> Voldemort survives with unicorn blood?  And Harry, though of 
course 
> not entirely innocent, is much more than a unicorn, for which 
he seems 
> to stand in here.  In PS/SS, the unicorn died.
> 

Me:
That is true, but another thing that comes to mind is the 
Hippogriff.  Buckbeak was convicted, all the charges were put 
into paper, and the day of his execution was set, and his 
execution even happened (at least the first time around :-)  but in 
the end, Sirius Black road off into the sky on his back--against all 
odds.  Who knows...maybe that time turner will be put to good 
use once again...to save another innocent life, this time, Harry's.

my two cents :-)
draco382