The timeline on the DVD *confirms* canon.
Ali
Ali at zymurgy.org
Tue Apr 22 18:30:00 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 55885
Jo Serenadust wrote:
>>> I'm not British (although my children were in the British school
system for a short time several years ago) but I've always defered
to the views of the British members of the fandom on this point. I
didn't see the PoA quote as a Flint so much as an imprecise
statement by Dumbledore, which is of the type I hear teachers use
all the time (ie, speaking of "a class of hyperactive seven year
olds" when in fact 3 of them are really eight). It was never
serious enough for me to consider an actual Flint.
<snip>
I meant was that the DVD timeline has introduced a potential Flint.
If the birthdate had been 1979, then Hermione "fits" into the story
as a product of the normal British educational system with its Sept
1 cutoff. Now that it lists the 1980 birth date, it just doesn't
fit for me unless we get further information. If JKR gives us some
backstory for why Hermione is moved ahead in either a direct
interview, or as part of a future book, then I'll be perfectly
satisfied. Until then, it's still questionable for me based on
JKR's past inconsistencies with dates and numbers.
I respond:-
This is a me too post - with explanation:
JKR has based the Hogwarts school system on the English/Welsh system
that she was brought up with. Children start Hogwarts when their
Muggle counterparts go to secondary school, they can stay for the
same 7 years and the September 1st date corresponds to the start of
our school year. We have evidence that Cedric Diggory and (I think)
Angelina turn 17 at the start of their 6th year indicating that they
are following the Muggle Traditions that JKR has used so
extensively - OWL levels: O'Levels, NEWTs: A'Levels. I would agree
that this is only circumstantial evidence!
Prior to the DVD time line the only canon evidence we had indicating
Hermione's birthday was Dumbledore's statement about two 13year old
wizards - and again I agree with Jo's explanation for this. It is
possible that Hogwarts runs along slightly different lines and it is
possible that Hermione is a year ahead - due to her obvious academic
talent. However, I do not believe that JKR wrote Hermione as being a
year young for her year. This does happen very occasionally in
Britain, but when it does, those children stick out like a sore
thumb and get adverse attention. We see Hermione being "attacked"
for being a know-it-all and for being a Muggle-born, but never for
being a year ahead.
Are we really to suppose that the Magic Quill not only looks at
those born in the academic year under consideration, but also looks
ahead to see if any children in the next year *might* be very
talented and therefore capable of joining early?
I do believe that having the Autumn Equinox as the cut-off point
would work, and JKR might try and tell us that Hermione is so
brilliant that she did jump a year. What I will not believe (without
evidence!) is that JKR thought all this up before she realised that
there was a problem with the dates.
My impression is that whilst JKR is very pedantic and thorough with
regards to some issues, dates and numbers are not amongst them.
Thus, whilst I will believe that JKR authorised the DVD timeline and
therefore *canonised* Hermione's birthday as later than Harry's, I
cannot believe that she thought through all the implications of this
particular date when she first wrote it - perhaps Heidi's idea of
the Autumn equinox will give her a way out of this potential Flint.
Ali
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