Elixir of Life

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 74752

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" <zanelupin at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "biggladolaf" 
> <biggladolaf at y...> wrote:
> > 
> > Another thing I thought of just now (4 am, so dont expect much) - 
> > Flamel is in fact a muggle. ...edited...
> > 
> > Olaf, glad and big

bboy_mn:
We don't know for a fact that Flamel was a muggle. 

True he was a real live person who is a documented part of muggle
history, but that wouldn't stop him from being a wizards. Many of the
witches and wizards on the chocolate frog card are real people whose
history you can look up in muggle history books; yet they are wizards. 

Since Flamel is know to the wizard world (and the wizard world is
known to him) and that he has a part in wizard history, all make me
think he was a wizard as well as an alchemist. Those two things, magic
and alchemy, are frequently associated in fictional stories of magic,
wizards, and witches.



> KathyK
> 
> Or Voldemort had no way to get to him because Flamel knows that many 
> people, not just evil wizards, will want what he has (a means to 
> achieve immortality and great wealth).  
>

bboy_Mmn:
I think you are on to something here. Flamel is almost 700 years old,
and in all that time, I'm sure every evil witch and wizard, and many
not so evil witches and wizards have lusted after the Philospher's
Stone. Certainly, Flamel will have had to have taken extraordinary
precautions to guard it and himself. 


> KathyK continues:
> Maybe he and his wife are constantly in hiding, ...

bboy_mn:
On one hand we do know were Flamel lives; Devon, I think. When Harry
remembered who Flamel was, Hermione went to here room and brought back
a book with a summary of Flamels history. The book said where he
lives, or at least what county he lives in. 

>KathyK continues:
>
> ...having all sorts of protections against attempts to steal the 
> stone or the elixir.  

As I said above, Flamel has had 700 years of practice at guarding the
stone, and generally speaking, keeping the Stone and it secrets away
from unenlightened people is one of the primary objectives of a
successful alchemist. So, I'm sure Flamel had every conceivable and
perhaps a few as yet unconceive by common wizards, protection around
himself, his family, his house, the elixer, and the stone.

> Maybe they moved it to Gringott's after Quirrel/Voldemort 
> tried to get at it.  Since Gringott's has never been successfully 
> broken into, it would be an obvious solution until they could get
> the stone to Dumbledore.
> 
> KathyK 

bboy_mn:
Not only is the stone in Gringotts, it is deep deep deep within the
underground storage, and is in a high security vault. A vault that
isn't opened with a key, so it would be difficult and dangerous for
anyone to try and open. It would seem to be a very safe place,
especially against common theives, but when Flamel and Dumbledore
somehow gained information that there was an active plot to steal the
Stone, they thought it would be better protected if it were a little
closer by so they could keep a personal eye on it. Then, of course,
they moved it to Hogwarts. Despite people's statements that the
enchantments, beast, and charm were pretty pathetic if a few first
years could get past them, I think the stone was very well protected,
and the first years that got past the protection, were not your
typical first years.

Just a few thoughts.

bboy_mn