Harry, Hermione & Ron [SHIP + CRAB]

[greatelderone]

No: HPFGUIDX 74754

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "C M" <cmurph18 at y...> wrote:
> Do you have quotes from JKR or canon-based info on Veela's as a 
> race to back this up? It seems to me that you're making some fairly 
> bold assumptions here. 

GEO: Not on their alignment with the dark arts, but certainly on 
their power and hold over men. Notice that their hold only extends to 
the fellows looking at them and that it didn't work for those who 
weren't looking at them or who weren't hearing their song. 
Furthermore when Harry was under the thrall of the Veela it was quite 
similar to the Imperius curse that Barty-Moody placed upon him in 
that he lost control of himself and was about to jump out of the box. 


> I suspect that if Veela's were as scary and 
> dangerous as you're making them sound, the Dolores Umbridges of the 
> WW would have passed all sorts of anti-Veela legislation that would 
> at the very least have kept them away from the World Quidditch Cup.

GEO: Except the Wizarding World is as united as our own world and the 
qudditch world cup was in chaos thanks to Bagman. Besides remember 
that the Egyptian referee wanted to toss the Veela out precisely 
because of their mind control powers. 


> Again, care to give some canon on this? 

Roger Davies seems to be one of the victims. The description given in 
the Yule Ball chapter does indeed match that "deer in the headlights 
quality"/hypnotized quality that you were looking for which indicates 
that she does have some Veela powers. The fact that Davies was under 
her thrall at least imo makes it obvious that Fleur's many admirers 
were coming to her because of her part veela nature.

Also the veela in the forest don't have that hypnotic effect that 
they did during the world cup, but the fact that they caused all 
those wizards to act strangely act out of character including Ron 
does indicate some sort of magic. So Fleur doesn't necessarily have 
to hypnotize Ron in the traditional sense to put him under her 
control.

> Also, out of curiosity, do you think Bill Weasley is only dating 
her 
> because of the Veela thing?

GEO: We don't know. Perhaps Bill wouldn't be affected as much because 
of the fact that he is a curse breaker with the goblins.

> I don't think Hermione is "far from normal." 

Really? Her large knowledge of magic aside she can be more of a puzzle
(the whole issue with the Time Turner, the unexplained issue with the 
Boggart and the Imperius Curse) than Harry himself at times just 
indicates that she is indeed atypical emotionally in contrast to 
Lavender, Parvati and Ron who are the average and typical students at 
Hogwarts. Also unlike many of the others she has practically cut many 
of the ties with her own family spending much of her vacation time 
with the Order of the Phoenix in the Black House. 

>I do think that if she was truly 
> interested in him, she'd have taken him up on his offer to visit 
him 
> over the summer. Instead, oddly, she chose to spend that time 
helping 
> the Weasley's clean Sirius's house. Yeah, that compares to several 
> weeks in a foreign country on the arm of a pro-Quidditch player.

GEO:So? She also sacrificed her personal time with her parents during 
the winter vacation to go back to that house. Not exactly a big deal, 
but it makes her more puzzling.