SHIP: Re: Harry, Hermione & Ron

[C M]

No: HPFGUIDX 74788

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "greatelderone" 
<greatelderone at y...> wrote:
>>>GEO:Haven't you thought the whole purpose of that line was to 
muddy the waters for the shippers. If she clarified the thing then 
she would have given away her hand. If anything the R/H and H/H ships 
all hinge on Hermione's feelings on that matter.<<<

Me: Of course I've thought that. But, as I think my post indicated, 
*I* don't see the waters as being muddied. Fleur thanks and kisses 
Harry, then turns and does the same to Ron. THEN we hear that 
Hermione looks furious. As far as I'm concerned, she's pissed about 
the Ron kiss. No mud.

Also, while JKR may not be giving away her hand in that paragraph, 
what is she doing with interview comments suggesting that the tension 
is between Ron and Hermione, in response to a question about Hermione 
and Harry getting involved?


>>>GEO: However they are perceptive. Well perceptive enough to pick 
up that something was going on with Percy in CoS even though they 
didn't have extendable ears or their apparition ability and the fact 
that Percy had his own owl and isolated himself from the other.<<<

Me: I must confess, I've lent out my books and therefore can't 
reference them, but did F&G suspect that Percy's "issue" had anything 
to do with a girl? They noted that he was withdrawn, that he was 
keeping something from them, but I don't think either of them deduced 
that he had a girlfriend. With regard to Hermione and Ron, my guess 
is that they're "perceptive" enough to note the arguing, but 
completely ignorant of any underlying sexual tension.


>>>GEO: I never said he was, but that he was a dark and certainly 
brooding quidditch seeker like Harry.<<<

Me: You used Krum and Lockhart as examples of the kind of guys 
Hermione goes for. I was merely pointing out that some of their 
qualities are in fact contrary to each other, which would contradict 
the very notion of her having a "type." I wasn't arguing that they 
share some common attributes with Harry. They certainly do.


>>>GEO: It still wouldn't explain her impatience in wanting to know 
if Harry was going to go out with her(Cho) and her(Hermione) attempt 
subsequently at maintaining a more distant demeanor indicates to me 
at least that she had a more emotional connection in the business 
than we had previously thought.<<<

Me: Hermione could have been impatient because Harry either hadn't 
understood or was stalling to answer her question ("Are you going to 
see her again?").

Her distant demeanor indicates an emotional connection? You do 
realize how contradictory that sounds, right? And that it could just 
as easily be argued that she, being an intellectually-ruled (as 
opposed to emotionally-ruled) person in general, has a tendency to 
try to look at and explain things in an orderly, businesslike 
fashion? Because that's how I saw her in the conversations about Cho. 
Clearly, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

  
>>>GEO: Doubt it. If anything the Hermione and Ron relationship is 
built more on the traditional way which is giving perfume and being 
jealous kind of thing with all their mutual spats.<<<

Me: I don't understand your argument or how it's supposed to refute 
my point. A good friendship can the basis for a relationship. Harry 
and Hermione are friends. Ron and Hermione are friends. Therefore, 
either of these pairings could ultimately result in a friendship-
based relationship. But because Ron gets jealous and gave Hermione 
perfume and they have mutual spats they can't have a friendship-based 
relationship?

I think my brain just exploded.


>>>GEO: Either way the same would also occur vice versa.<<<

Me: Wow. And here I thought there might be a bit of acknowledgement 
that not all people are threatened by their partners' having friends 
of the opposite sex. Instead, it turns out that apparently we're 
*all* completely threatened and insecure. Nice. Again, I strongly 
disagree with that assertion.


>>>GEO: I doubt any permanent love interest of hers would take it 
very well that she was more devoted to her best male friend than to 
them.<<<

Me: You never said anything about being more devoted to anyone. You 
were simply talking about being a confidante and advisor. And 
basically supporting a H/H ship by suggesting that no one else will 
be able to handle their friendship, so they may as well be with each 
other. That is so romantic.

Of course, there's a simple solution to the dilemma you describe. 
Harry and Hermione could get involved with other friends who are 
already well aware of (and not threatened by) their friendship. 
Like...I don't know...Ron and Ginny, maybe?

CM, who actually isn't a Ha/G shipper, but felt like throwing that in.