Tactics & Prescience (was Why Bella didn't disapparate/ OOP Az. effects)

[annemehr]

No: HPFGUIDX 75775

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
<talisman22457 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "annemehr" <annemehr at y...> 
> wrote:
> > > Annemehr's two Knuts:
> > First, why didn't Bellatrix apparate away?  I think she knew 
full 
> > well (and intended?) that Harry followed her out of the Death 
> > Chamber.  *** "snip"  Furthermore, I think Dumbledore's anti-
> apparation jinxes were applied to the DEs individually and so he'd 
> missed Bellatrix and obviously didn't get Voldemort either.
> >*** "snip" 
> > Annemehr
> 
> Talisman, folding away her copy of the Quibbler, and tucking the 
> Stubby Boardman clippings into her files, observes:
> 
> Yes, I think it's quit clear that Bellatrix was luring Harry to a 
> tactically superior field of battle. 
> 
> But I wonder that you don't find it odd that Dumbledore "missed" 
> Bellatrix with his "apparation jinx," as you call it.

Annemehr:
Well, I called it "anti-apparation jinxes" (plural), thinking he was 
still dealing with DEs one at a time, but checking the end of Ch. 
36, I see I was mistaken.  Dumbledore tells Fudge he'd put the DEs 
under "an Anti-Disapparation Jinx" which is singular, meaning he did 
them all with one jinx.

Looking in Ch. 36, just after Harry realises Sirius must be dead:
 
"Dumbledore had most of the remaining Death Eaters grouped in the 
middle of the room, seemingly immobilized by invisible ropes.  Mad-
Eye Moody had crawled across the room to where Tonks lay and was 
attempting to revive her.  Behind the dais there were still flashes 
of light, grunts, and cries -- Kingsley had run forward to continue 
Sirius's duel with Bellatrix.
[here is half a page of Neville, Harry and Lupin talking, then:]
There was a loud bang and a yell form behind the dais.  Harry saw 
Kingsley, yelling in pain, hit the ground.  Bellatrix Lestrange 
tuned tail and ran as Dumbledore whipped around.  He aimed a spell 
at her but she deflected it.  She was halfway up the steps now --"
[here Harry chases her up to the Atrium].

Talisman:
> 
> Implausibly odd, in fact, that Dumbledore: 1) managed to subdue 
> every DE but Bellatrix, when she was battling Sirius, 2) that he 
> was "unable" to stop her, not just with the first deflected spell, 
> but as she trotted up the rest of the stairs, and 3)that it took 
> Dumbledore so long to show up in the Atrium, when he was obviously 
> watching Bellatrix leave and Harry give chase.

Annemehr:
You've convinced me, about 99 per cent.  Except, what was Dumbledore 
occupied with, when he whipped around to aim a spell at Bellatrix? 
Up until now, I had always pictured Bellatrix running out during the 
heat of battle, and Dumbledore's attention divided between her and 
whatever DEs he was still fighting.  But she does seem to be the 
only one not yet immobilised, so how *could* Dumbledore have failed 
to stop her if he really wanted to, given how we see him battle 
later?

Talisman:  
<snip>
> Dumbledore is nobody's fool.  You cannot read his excuses and 
> compare them to what you actually know from the texts without 
> realizing that he is lying a great deal of the time.

Annemehr:
Er, lying, actually?  Well, he did say he was going to tell 
Harry "everything," and he certainly did not, but mostly I see him 
doling out the truth in tiny doses.  I do believe he wishes he had 
handled Harry differently, though, as he said.  I think he does 
honestly take part of the blame for Harry's actions and Sirius' 
death upon himself -- for not taking peoples' strong feelings enough 
into account.  After all, he can lay plans, but those plans depend 
on real live people who will not always act as he'd expect.

Talisman:
> 
> No, Dumbledore knows--more than we do--what is going on and he is 
> controlling the action to a great extent.
<snip> 
> For now let me just remind you that, in the June 2003 Albert Hall 
> interview, JK calls Dumbledore "a very wise man" who has to 
> both "step back" to allow Harry to learn some hard lessons, and, 
she 
> agrees with Stephen Frye, "push the little birds from the nest."  
> 
> Therefore, the author comprehends Dumbledore to act both 
omissively 
> and comissively--with intention--to prepare Harry for "what is to 
> come."  She does not say, "well he's getting older you know, 
> screwing up a bit . . ." 
> 
> Fair warning to the faint-hearted, as soon as the snares of this 
> world give me time, I will launch the good ship, NO DIPP(Not 
> Omniscient, Dumbledore IS Preternaturally Prescient), into TBAY, 
and 
> defend her with good canon. 
> 
> Talisman, who wonders if Johnny Depp would lend her some "Capt. 
Jack 
> Sparrow togs" for the trip.

Annemehr:
Captain Sparrow's "effects" eh?  If I can find so much as a pistol 
with one shot to add to the canon, I may be asking for permission to 
come aboard!

The passage that screams to me that Dumbledore means business:
"I cared about you too much," said Dumbledore simply.  "I cared more 
for your happiness than your knowing the truth, more for your peace 
of mind than my plan, more for your life than the lives that might 
be lost if the plan failed."

Dumbledore's got a plan to save untold innocent lives, and it is 
more important than the life of one individual, or that individual's 
happiness.

Annemehr
still withholding judgment on whether this all turns out entirely 
the way Dumbledore thinks