The magic power of love. Was: BANG! You're dead!

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--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, Ivan Vablatsky
<ibotsjfvxfst at y...> wrote:
>  --- B Arrowsmith <arrowsmithbt at b...> wrote: 
> ---------------------------------
> Deaths in the series so far, 5 (not counting an unknown number of 
> Giants).[...]
> All you need is love? Rubbish. Projecting loving thoughts at a
murderous
> psychopath does not stop him reaching for the meat-axe. [...]
> Kneasy
> 
> Hans in Holland replies: 
> 
> Thanks for this provocative post. I feel provoked.
> 
> I agree with you under normal conditions and I can see your point
of view.
> If HP were an ordinary novel you'd be quite right, but I'm sticking
to my
> theory that HP is not a fictional story but an allegory on how to
go the
> Path of Liberation.
> 

] Hi, Hans. Glad you responded; I  enjoy provoking responses,
 lets me know who's paying attention. Grit your teeth! More 
provocation coming up, with some clipping.

] An allegory is a symbolic representation, not fact, therefore
fiction.


 > In his fifth year Harry has liberated his mental ego. Voldemort
can no
> longer possess Harry's mind because of the love in his heart. 

] Mental liberation requires discipline. That Harry does not have,
yet. Will he ever?  Anybody's guess.  And I'll bet my second best
cauldron against a chocolate frog that V. enters Harrys' mind 
again in the next book.


> 
> In his sixth year Harry will liberate his emotional ego, situated
in the
> heart, obviously. My theory (and it really is only a theory) is
that this
> means that Harry will be able to open his heart to Divine Love
totally. It
> will become a powerful magic force that he can consciously use. I
don't know
> exactly how JK Rowling will turn this into a story, but if the
coincidences
> with the Alchemical Wedding of Christian Rosencreutz continue, it
probably
> means that Harry will be able to open the Room of Love and, to put
in into
> the AW terms, "behold Lady Venus". Harry will gain mastery over "a
force
> that is at once more wonderful and more terrible than death, than
human
> intelligence, than the forces of nature."
> 

] I'm sorry to have to say this, but I think you're way off. Yes, we
all have our pet theories, and some of them are based on the 
slenderest of canon, but you seem to be ignoring canon entirely 
and basing future events on a book that you, personally   
have found to be profound. Has JKR read this book? Even if she 
has, why should she slavishly  follow its precepts? Can't she tell 
her own tale?


> 
> I want to provide some evidence of this force. I found an article
written in
> a magazine published in the Netherlands in 1946. ("Nieuwe Religieuze
> Orientering") It was written by a person whom I suspect is quite
advanced on
> the road of liberation. The name of the article is, "Love your
Enemies" (a
> quote from the Sermon on the Mount in the New Testament for those
who don't
> know). I would like to provide you with a translation which, to my
mind,
> proves my theory. 

] The quote is "Love your enemies as you would yourself." Yet self
love is not considered to be something to be proud of. The quote 
is almost as contradictory as the prophesy in OoP.

> 
> "...In February 1941 I was seated opposite an ober-oberführer of
the
> Gestapo. I had been arrested! (The author had written an article a
warning
> against NAZISM - Hans) He had a handsome, regular face, light blue
eyes. The
> photos of his wife and children stood on his desk. He was an
absolutely
> normal person. There was nothing evil, nothing bestial about him.
He looked
> at me and I looked back at him. We smiled at each other. For a
moment we saw
> the tragic humour of the situation
and then, suddenly, it came.
His eyes
> became fixed and the pupils widened. He was being overshadowed. His
throat
> was being controlled. This can always be discerned by an
unnecessary rising
> and falling of the voice and a total change in sound. His head was
bent
> slightly forward as if he were being gripped in the neck. I
understood. This
> man was being possessed. He himself was pushed into the background
and what
> was talking to me was the spirit in the background: the roaring
black beast.
> I shoved aside my resistance and the reason why I was there, and I
was
> filled with an intense compassion for this Mr ober-ober thingy.
While a
> torrent of abuse and vituperation were being poured out over me, I
prayed
> for this peculiar enemy and wrapped him in the light of the
Rosycross. And
> his possession left him. He shook himself like a wet poodle. My
strange
> enemy returned to normal and became himself again. I had seen and
heard my
> enemy. I had resisted and defeated my enemy; I had driven him away.
But my
> enemy was not the ober-führer. It was someone else. This German
man was just
> a victim because of the special quality of German blood. He was
hereditarily
> burdened, a sick man. Did you know that Hitler was possessed?..."
The author
> states further on that he was never again contacted by the Gestapo.

] I'm sorry, I cannot take such musings and reminisences as
established fact. If a third party had been present and reported 
them, I might view them differently. Even then, the prisoner has no 
means of establishing the interrogators thoughts
or mental state, except in his own imagination. That is what I 
suspect is reported, imagination. And by todays standards, it could 
be classed as rascist, which is not very liberating. 
> 
> 
> JK Rowling has said that she doesn't believe in ordinary magic, but
she does
> believe in the magic of love. That really is the understatement of
the
> century. This is not a question of "Away with this namby-pamby
redemption
> through the power of love! Can you think of anything more Mills and
Boon?
> More adolescent fantasy? Ugh!" to quote Kneasy, but the undeniable
reality
> of Love as a magic force more wonderful and more terrible than
death, than
> human intelligence, than the forces of nature. 

] No.  Meaningful love cannot exist without intelligence and there is
no reason to consider death wonderful. That is the philosophy of 
anti-life; listen to potential suicide bombers. Death comes to every 
living thing and I have seen too much of it. 
Sometimes life goes like a whisp of smoke on a breeze, but usually it
is hard and painful and the victim is helpless against inevitability. 
Even if they welcome death, it rarely treats them well. But I relish it 
in fiction. Then I can laugh at it.

The forces of Nature will remain when all life is extinct. 

I agree, love can be more terrible than death; is that a good thing?
Love too can be that destructive. I know, I've seen it. 
Only one Being has presumed to redeem through love and He 
could hardly be classed as a normal human. Even He never claimed to 
provide the promised redemption in the here and now. As a practicing
Christian, I doubt JKR would be so presumptious or so provocative.


Kneasy 
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