SHIP: kiss on cheek before quidditch match, anything?

[princesspeaette]

No: HPFGUIDX 76849

 

Golly:
>>>>>>
 One of the reasons I think that confirms for me that OOTP is so 
badly 
> written is that I cannot shake the idea that Rowling is planning an 
> R/H romance.  She has all but said it in interviews.  And book 4 
> clearly established a pattern between Ron and Hermione that made me 
> look back at POA and say "Yah I can see that is somewhat sexual in 
> nature."  I see where you are going...

Me (Margart): Yup, I saw that too.  But personally I liked it.  It was subtle 
(in my opinion) but there.

>>>>>>> 
> But IMHO OOTP is an H/Hers dream and an R/Her nightmar.  No matter 
> how many say the Pumpkin Ship is dead in the water I think it 
gained 
> new boyancy.  

Margaret: I don't think so.  I rather think it was the first nail in that 
coffin.

>>>>>>> 
> Hermione knows Ron likes her - that is clear.  However, she does 
> nothing to encourage this beyond that kiss. She also does one very 
> strong thing to discourage Ron persuing her.  She never tells him 
the 
> status of her relationship with Krum.  If she isn't with him she 
> certainly lets him think that.  (If she is with him, that is enough 
> to discourage Ron.)

Margaret: I'm not sure if she's completely registered it, though she may 
have an inkling.  She might just see it as "Well Hermione's my 
friend, and she should stay available in case I want to date her."   
That's a bit to much. And is valid 'know it all' thinking. Been 
there myself. But after all the rotten things Ron said about Krum in 
GoF, but then asked for an autograph at the end, wouldn't you want to 
torment him with that just a little? 

 
>>>> So at best she didn't mean anything but a friendly kiss for a 
friend 
> and at worst she's a tease.  

Margaret: Not touching this one.  I think she wanted to make him feel 
better, and it was an impulse. That's it.
 
>>>> But look at Harry and Hermione....
> 
> I think it clear that Harry doesn't like Hermione now... But 
feelings 
> change.  Cho is done opening up some room on Harry's dance card.  
> Although I think that Hermione doesn't much seem like his type he 
> seems to respect and listen to her more than he does other girls.  
> Plus he might feel safer in liking a girl he trusts and already 
> admires than just any random chick...  (That being said she' not 
the 
> only person.  But I mean to say it could work.)  

Margaret: I think the fact that Harry gave her a book for Christmas, and 
Ron gave her perfume shows Harry isn't interested in Hermione 
romantically.  I hope he doesn't just go for her because she's 
comfortable and familiar.  Not good psychologically, that.

>>>>>>>>>>> 
> It is Hermione that I think promotes H/Her here...  
> 
> 1.  Though she advises him about Cho, asking him to come to meet 
Rita 
> on Valentines day was unnecessary and rather thoughtless. (My real 
> opinion is that it is a cheap plot device). Seeing as how she 
> expected him to deal with Cho in some acceptable manner, one 
wonders 
> why she didn't just make meeting for some other weekend or have 
Rita 
> meet them secretly on campus. 


Margaret: I think it was the only practical way for them to meet up with 
Rita Skeeter.  Asking her to come on campus would have been breaking 
the rules, and given that all of Hermione's leverage is based on Rita 
being a felon, it wouldn't set a good precedent.  As Valentine's Day 
was only the second Hogsmeade weekend of the year, who know's how 
long they would have had to wait for a third?  I do think it would 
have been prudent of Hermione to tell Harry how to get Cho to the 3 
Broomsticks though, she wasn't surprised at Cho's reaction, so she 
should have expected Harry to mess everything up.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> What Hermione did strikes me as the type of thing a girl does when 
> she likes her best friend and doesn't a)want to admit it to herself 
> or b) is determined to get over it.  She sabatoges (perhaps 
> unconciously) his date with Cho.  Had she not shown that she could 
> predict Cho's reaction I would think it was merely Hermione being 
> obtuse. The brainy girls who doesn't consider romance when planning 
> things. But clearly she's not obtuse. 
> 
> 2.  Harry is the only boy Hermione seems to respect (other than 
> Krum).  But seeing as how Krum is not at Hogwarts I will surmise he 
> won't be a major figure in the romantic plotlines.  I personally 
> suspect she's not dating Krum since Rowling conviently left that a 
> grey area. 
> 
> So Hermione seems not to respect Ron at all.  She tears him down 
> publically for not being able to say Voldemort. She seems endlessly 
> frustrated with him.  She MOCKS his fear about failing at 
Quidditch - 
> very nice Hermione...  She frankly sees him as being both weak and 
> something less than Harry.  (Not what I would want a lady love to 
> think about me...)

Margaret: I think this sounds like the actions of a girl who has feelings 
for Ron and can't believe what a dolt he can be.  She's either not 
comfortable with the idea of being with Ron, and tries to point out 
his faults to herself, or she's just one of those people who shows 
affection by nitpicking.  There are alot of those people out there.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
> Contrast this with the way she interacts with Harry. She feels and 
> seems to respect every one of his emotions - even the nasty unfair 
> bouts of loutiness.  When she thinks he's on the wrong path she's 
> considerate and gentle about her advice being careful to take his 
> feelings into account. She works with him promoting his goal and 
> helping him out - for example with questioning his logic about 
Sirus' 
> abduction.  She respects and admires Harry.  She thinks him the 
best 
> thing since sliced bread.  Oh Harry you're so amazing at X, Y, Z... 
> Yada Yada... *spew*...


Margaret:  Another point where I agree it's an important observation, but 
totally disagree about the cause/meaning.  I think it seems like 
Hermione feels bad for Harry, his life has been awful, his parents 
are dead, and he's in constant danger from someone people still 
insist on calling Lord Thingy (gotta love Fudge's take-charge 
attitude, don't you?)  She is constantly amazed he manages to 
function day to day.  Probably afraid if she critisizes him to much, 
he'll snap and end up in the long term care ward of St. Mungo's. 

 
>>> In the end I can't see how it wouldn't work.

Me either.


>>> But that is ok if Hermione doesn't want Ron - She doesn't deserve 
him 
> anyway.... (bushy haired freak!)

I actually want Ron and Hermione together, and am dreadfully afraid 
she'll end up with Harry (and watch those bushy hair comments!)


~Margaret, who fears she has gone on too long with this, but 
reallyreallyreallyreally wants to sink the H/H SHIP, and so felt she 
had to add her cannonball to the barrage.