Ron's consolations (was: Re: SHIP: kiss on cheek before quidditch match...)

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> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "aamonn2000" 
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> > Again, since the one person that constantly keeps supporting 
him 
> is 
> > Hermy (see the Rita Skeeter example for instance), I dare 
say that 
> > she has become the closest character to Harry (forget 
Dumbledore, 
> > Ron, Lupin, etc.), and the one that really succeeds in helping 
him 
> > (let's repeat it : forget Dumbledore ; if you're not convinced 
> > compare his attitude towards Harry's dreams : who was the 
wisest, 
> > Dumbledore - doesn't talk to Harry anymore, asks Snape to 
give him 
> > lessons - or Hermione - had Harry followed her advice, Sirius 
> would 
> > still be there).

I can't say that I agree that Harry and Hermione have become the 
closest friends. Hermione is a very important person for Harry to 
have on his side because her level-headedness is a good 
balance to his quick-to-act nature, but that makes her a great ally 
not a best friend. In the past (GoF) when Ron and Harry stopped 
speaking to each other briefly, Harry spent more time with 
Hermione but admitted that it just wasn't as enjoyable having 
Hermione as his best friend. I didn't see any signs of that 
changing in OotP. Harry was pretty awful to everyone, Hermione 
included.

> > Another example seems very intesting to me on the 
symbolical point 
> of 
> > view. Remember with who Hermione was when Ron's 
triumph as a goal-
> > keeper occurred ? A clue, first letter is H... 
> > 

That's a bit of a stretch. Remember  they didn't want to leave the 
quidditch match, and Ron was still doing horribly from what they 
saw (a very painful thing to watch). It was an H than persuaded 
them both to leave the match, but that H wasn't Harry. I'll give you 
a clue, it still starts with an H...  oh nevermind... It was a
bloody, black-eyed,
and insistent Hagrid.


> > Talking about that makes me think of something that 
concerns the 
> > whole scheme of OoP. In this book we see Ron achieving 
ALL his 
> goals, 
> > all his dreams, just as expressed in PS when he was 
looking in the 
> > mirror. He becomes a prefect AND plays Quidditch (actually, 
he is 
> the 
> > new star of the G team). Maybe that's the compensation he 
gets 
> > throughout OoP, for his dreams become true but at the same 
time 
> this 
> > is made possible at a great cost as Hermione seems to 
withdraw. 
> > 

Well, when it comes down to Ron as a prefect, isn't it Ron who 
spends more time with Hermione - and Harry who is left out.
As a Quidditch player, Ron spends a lot of time in practice, just 
as Harry did in the previous books. The three-amigos still spend 
roughly the same amount of time together - we just get to see 
what Harry 
and Hermione are up to and it's been nothing romantic IMHO.

> > One last thing, it has also been said that Harry and 
Hermione 
> would 
> > have nothing to say if they had a love-affair. This leads me to 
> add 
> > two comments : 
> > a) Same problem (perhaps even worse) with Ron. 
> > b) Hermione isn't just interested in someone because he or 
she has 
> > problems. Even if this was true, she would then find Ron 
REALLY 
> > uninteresting and boring.
> > 
> > Quite long, isn't it. Well, see ya ;-) 
> > 
> > AAm.

If either Harry or Ron were to date Hermione they would of 
course have loads to talk about. Isn't that a large part of their 
friendship bond? They can discuss with each other things that 
they would never discuss with anyone else. 


> 
>  Good post AAm
>   I have to admit, even as a ardent R/H shipper(i.e, it's what I 
> want), the evidence is piling up for a H/H ship, there little to 
> nothing from Harry yet but it is easy to argue now he is over 
Cho he 
> may look again, Hermione's feelings became pretty clear to 
me in 
> OOTP, Her reaction to him kissing Cho, Trying to get Harry to 
spend 
> a night making hats with her, and dare I say it...Ginny's crush 
on 
> Harry evaporating during the summer, when she was with 
Hermione most 
> of the time?
> 
>  Ron's feelings are clear and the fog around Hermione's is 
lifting 
> ever so slighty. Harry is the wild card.
> 
>   Seb

What if Hermione's reaction to Cho kissing Harry wasn't 
because she liked him at all (it seemed to lack that emotional 
charge that was so noticeable in GoF). I think Hermione and 
Ginny may be in cahoots with each other when it comes to the 
guys they may like (for arguments sake - Ron & Harry). I 
remember having those kind of allies at that age - girlfriends 
who stuck up for me and a guy that I liked even if he didn't show 
signs of liking me or I gave up on him - and vice versa. Maybe 
Hermione thinks Harry is better off with Ginny but tries to pretend 
to be impartial, thus the coldness of her response. Maybe thats 
why Ginny tries to stop her brother from putting his foot in his 
mouth in GoF. Was it definitely said that Ginny no longer liked 
Harry, or was it that Ginny just gave up on the idea of Harry ever 
liking her. If it's the later then that may explain Hermione's 
reaction.

Harry is still the wild card though - but I think If he really liked 
someone, we would definitely know.

-QoE