Snape Vampire Theory: Where did this come from?

[koinonia02]

No: HPFGUIDX 77162

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "subrosax99" <subrosax at e...> 
wrote:

>Other than a well positioned stake through the heart, 
> it's 
> > not as if he can be killed. Where then is the danger? 

subrosax99:
Me: I thought that's what I just said. Driving a stake through 
Snape's heart would be quite a bit more involved than a simple Avada 
Kedavra. 

"K":
There are many ways to kill a vampire and I'm sure Voldemort knows 
those ways. Just because Snape could be a vampire doesn't mean there 
isn't any danger.

subrosax99:
Me: Who cares if he has "vampiric qualities"? 

"K":
It would matter if Voldemort and vampiric qualities have something to 
do with the plot. 

subrosax99:
Why not just be a 
vampire and forget all that other mess? If VD were a vampire, he'd be 
immortal, end of story. 

"K":

Well, Voldy does seem to think he is pretty much immortal. 

GoF/Ch 33 Voldemort: "And then I ask myself, but how could they have 
believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, 
long ago, to guard myself against mortal death?"

What steps did Voldemort take? 

CoS/18 Dumbledore speaking of Tom Riddle: "He disappeared after 
leaving the school...traveled far and wide...sank so deeply into the 
Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our kind..."

GoF/Ch 33 "Then...four years ago...A wizard --young, foolish, and 
gullible--wandered across my path in the forest I had made my home. 
Oh , he seemed the very chance I had been dreaming of...for he was a 
teacher at Dumbledore's school...  This would be Quirrell of course 
and earlier we see where Quirrell has met up with vampires in a 
forest. 

Voldemort has been on a quest for immortality. When one thinks of 
immortality, one often thinks of vampires. 

GoF/Ch 33 Voldemort, "The dementors will join us...they are our 
natural allies...we will recall the banished giants...I shall have 
all my devoted servants returned to me, and an army of creatures whom 
all fear..."

OoP/Ch 5 "Well, firstly, he wants to build up his army again, said 
Sirius. "In the old days he had huge numbers at his command; witches 
and wizards...his faithful Death Eaters, a great variety of Dark 
creatures. You heard him planning to recruit the giants; well, 
they'll be just one group he's after."

Could not vampires be part of the Dark creatures Voldemort will try 
and recruit? 

subrosax99:
Me: We haven't seen a shred of evidence that Snape's problems are 
caused by his being a vampire. Hagrid and Lupin do seem to suffer 
from discrimination due to their "half-breed" status (though how this 
applies to Lupin I do not understand.)

"K":
Part of the reason there might not be that much evidence is because 
we haven't been told yet that Snape is a vampire. Let's face it, 
after five books we still don't know much about Snape. We don't know 
where he came from or if he indeed has suffered any discrimination. 
The HP books do discuss discrimination and why wouldn't vampires be 
included in that group? We read about them in every book yet are we 
suppose to believe we won't see them? Who is going to represent the 
vampires? Who better than Snape? He has been a teacher at Hogwarts 
for 14 years with no bite marks to any students that we know of. 
That's a pretty good track record for a vampire <G>.

subrosax99:
By contrast, Snape seems to get 
on well with Lucious Malfoy, who seems to be about as snobby as they 
come in the wizarding world. What we know about Snape from canon 
suggests far more mundane reasons for his problems.

"K"
I'm not sure what in canon tells us the reasons for Snape's 
problems.  


subrosax99:
Me: OK, but I still don't get where this vampire thing comes from. If 
Snape is in fact a vampire, he's pretty pathetic.

"K":
How can you say he is pathetic if we have never seen Snape in that 
form yet?


subrosax99:
 No one in the books 
is even turning up with bite marks! Please, don't tell me he's living 
off chickens or something. That's just undignified.

"K":
Lupin hasn't killed anyone yet and neither has Hagrid. Darn. Aren't 
they pathetic to what they are? 

Chickens? Who needs chickens:
OoP/Ch 6, in Black's house, an ornate crystal bottle with a large 
opal set into the stopper, full of what Harry was quite sure was 
blood.

"melclaros" 77111
  
LOL! AND I still say the whole issue was shut in OoP.
 If he was a 
Vampire and ESPECIALLY if he was a 
Half/Quarter/Eighth/Sixteenth/adinfinitem Vampire UMBRIDGE WOULD HAVE 
FIRED HIM! 

"K":
Why would she fire him for being a vampire if she doesn't know what 
he is? Now she did say the teachers backgrounds would be checked and 
let's see happens after that.

What else in OoP shut the door on the vampire theory?

"melclaros":
Melpomene, sick to DEATH of the Vampire "theory".

"K":
Then why read the vampire threads? I admit there are theories I don't 
like that I will peek at every now and then but for the most part 
(Lily/Snape an exception) I just don't comment on them or I will 
ignore them. 


severusbook4 Message 77116

Vampires, unlike werewolves, are civilized, intellegent, and 
socially minded in most cases. Werewolves, when in their wolf 
state, cannot control their urges, cannot be reasoned with, or 
controlled like pets. They are wild and conpletely unpredictable, 
James and Sirius, in human form, would have been eaten by Lupin if 
they had tried to reason with Lupin while in his wolf state. 
Vampires are not the risk that werewolves are. 

"K":
I think this is a good point. We seem willing to excuse Lupin being a 
werewolf when in fact he can't control what he does in werewolf form 
and is a danger to all around him. I do love Lupin but it isn't as if 
he is harmless. If Lupin is going to be shown to be discriminated 
against because of his furry time of the month, why shouldn't JKR do 
the same thing for vampires?

severusbook4 
Severus "she makes me look like an angel" Snape 

"K"
She makes me look pretty good also ;--)