Ron's consolations (was: Re: SHIP: kiss on cheek before quidditch match...)

[aamonn2000]

No: HPFGUIDX 77296

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> 
QoE wrote:> 
> I can't say that I agree that Harry and Hermione have become the 
> closest friends. Hermione is a very important person for Harry to 
> have on his side because her level-headedness is a good 
> balance to his quick-to-act nature, but that makes her a great ally 
> not a best friend. In the past (GoF) when Ron and Harry stopped 
> speaking to each other briefly, Harry spent more time with 
> Hermione but admitted that it just wasn't as enjoyable having 
> Hermione as his best friend. I didn't see any signs of that 
> changing in OotP. Harry was pretty awful to everyone, Hermione 
> included.

He admitted that it wasn't enjoyable having Hermione as his best 
friend. That's perfectly true, but we are no longer talking about 
best friends here. But you're right, Harry was pretty awful with 
everyone (except Sirius perhaps - not even Hagrid escaped his wrath). 
That means that if anything is ever going to happen between him and a 
female character (whichever it is) he must first improve the way he 
behaves.

I wrote:
> > > Another example seems very intesting to me on the 
> symbolical point 
> > of 
> > > view. Remember with who Hermione was when Ron's 
> triumph as a goal-
> > > keeper occurred ? A clue, first letter is H... 
> > > 
> 
QoE wrote:
> That's a bit of a stretch. Remember  they didn't want to leave the 
> quidditch match, and Ron was still doing horribly from what they 
> saw (a very painful thing to watch). It was an H than persuaded 
> them both to leave the match, but that H wasn't Harry. I'll give 
you 
> a clue, it still starts with an H...  oh nevermind... It was a
> bloody, black-eyed,
> and insistent Hagrid.

I'm sorry but I think that you actually miss the point I was (perhaps 
badly ;-) ) trying to stress. What I was talking about did not 
concern the succession of events and who's responsible for what, but 
I just tried to underline what appeared to me as an "artifice" - 
can't presently think of another word and, as you may have realized, 
english is not my mother-tongue - from the narrative point of view. 
We're no longer dealing with the characters' actions but with the 
writer's motivations (but you're absolutely right to say that the two 
of them were more than reluctant - especially Hermione - to follow 
Hagrid. Perhaps, if I dare say - but you'll tell me that once again I 
do stretch things, and more than a little bit this time... - that in 
the future H and H (not H) might get closer driven by forces that, at 
first, they don't fully explain and understand, just as they did not 
understand why Hagrid was taking them to the FF. Just another 
thought.).

I wrote :
> > > Talking about that makes me think of something that 
> concerns the 
> > > whole scheme of OoP. In this book we see Ron achieving 
> ALL his 
> > goals, 
> > > all his dreams, just as expressed in PS when he was 
> looking in the 
> > > mirror. He becomes a prefect AND plays Quidditch (actually, 
> he is 
> > the 
> > > new star of the G team). Maybe that's the compensation he 
> gets 
> > > throughout OoP, for his dreams become true but at the same 
> time 
> > this 
> > > is made possible at a great cost as Hermione seems to 
> withdraw. 
> > > 
> 
QoE wrote:
> Well, when it comes down to Ron as a prefect, isn't it Ron who 
> spends more time with Hermione - and Harry who is left out.
> As a Quidditch player, Ron spends a lot of time in practice, just 
> as Harry did in the previous books. The three-amigos still spend 
> roughly the same amount of time together - we just get to see 
> what Harry 
> and Hermione are up to and it's been nothing romantic IMHO.
 
Well, I'd say that even though Ron and Hermione are spending more and 
more time together (as prefects, when they were spending their 
holidays in the Black's mansion, etc.) at the meantime they don't 
seem to get any closer. That's not a good point for Ron (and remember 
that Hermione barely has any esteem for Ron as a prefect ; it even 
took her some time to understand that it was Ron and not Harry that 
was being chosen for the task - and don't forget that she was really 
happy at first to share that distinction with Harry...)

I wrote :
> > > One last thing, it has also been said that Harry and 
> Hermione 
> > would 
> > > have nothing to say if they had a love-affair. This leads me to 
> > add 
> > > two comments : 
> > > a) Same problem (perhaps even worse) with Ron. 
> > > b) Hermione isn't just interested in someone because he or 
> she has 
> > > problems. Even if this was true, she would then find Ron 
> REALLY 
> > > uninteresting and boring.
> > > 
> > > Quite long, isn't it. Well, see ya ;-) 
> > > 
> > > AAm.

QoE wrote :
> If either Harry or Ron were to date Hermione they would of 
> course have loads to talk about. Isn't that a large part of their 
> friendship bond? They can discuss with each other things that 
> they would never discuss with anyone else. 
 
I agree with you (I was implicitly responding to someone else's post).


Seb wrote :    
       Good post AAm [Thanks!!!]
> >   I have to admit, even as a ardent R/H shipper(i.e, it's what I 
> > want [I have to say that it's the same thing with me, I'd really 
like to see Harry with Hermione (^_^) ], the evidence is piling up 
for a H/H ship, <(snip)>  
> > Ron's feelings are clear and the fog around Hermione's is lifting 
> > ever so slighty. Harry is the wild card.

Absolutely.


QoE wrote :
> Harry is still the wild card though - but I think If he really 
liked 
> someone, we would definitely know.

Only if JKR wants us to know it. She will let us kow 
a) when there is really something to aknowledge 
b) when she judges that it is the right moment for us to know that (a 
and b may occur at very different moments !).

    Bye everyone. 
AAm.