Harry/Cho SHIPping in book 5 (and Hermione's reaction for it -- H/H debunking)

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No: HPFGUIDX 77432

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Przemyslaw Plaskowicki" 
<przepla at i...> wrote:
> Hello again,
> 
> Making R/H shipping notes during 3rd reread of OotP, I also make 
some 
> observations about Harry/Cho relationship (which, I believe hadn't 
been 
> yet discussed on this forum).
> 
> Firstly, from my point of view, all Harry/Cho affair was inspired 
or 
> even forced by Cho. True, Harry had some romantic feelings toward 
her, 
> but he was for sure not expecting to have a full relationship with 
her.
> He was always approached by her: in the Hogwarts Express, and 
during 
> lessons break.
> The Xmas snogging was also her idea -- it was Cho who noticed 
mistletoe. 
> Also let's analyze what was said after in the common room:
>  >>[Harry just entered and Ron was awkwardly trying to learn what 
has 
> happened.] Hermione took matters out of his hands. 'Is it Cho?' 
she 
> asked in a businesslike way. 'Did she *corner* [emphasis mine - 
P.] you 
> after the meeting?'<<
> I don't think the word 'corner' should be used when describing 
romantic 
> relationships.
> 
> Same thing had happened during Valentines' Hogsmead weekend; 
obviously 
> Cho knew exactly why she chosen Madam Malkin's cafe:
>  >>[Decorations of Madam Malkin's caused that] Harry was reminded 
> unpleasantly of Umbridge's office.
> 'Cute, isn't it?' said Cho happily.
> 'Er... yeah,' said Harry untruthfully.
> 'Look, she's decorated it for Valentine's Day!' said Cho, 
indicating a 
> number of golden cherubs
> that were hovering over each of the small, circular tables, 
occasionally 
> throwing pink confetti
> over the occupants.
> 'Aaah...'<<
> And later we remember Harry worrying immensely if he should kiss 
or hold 
> hands with Cho. He definitely was not prepared for relationship, 
and 
> Cho's forcing it on him made it even worse.
> Catastrophe was imminent and of course had happened:
>  >>'You're meeting Hermione Granger? Today?'<<
> 
> What was the reason of such jealousy? It seems that from Cho's 
point of 
> view, when boy meets girl on February 14th, he *must* do it from 
> romantic reasons. Does Hermione on purpose sabotaged Harry's date? 
I 
> don't think so.
> 
> Let's again reference book 5 for Hermione inquiring Harry about 
his 
> relationship with Cho. Let's note that those inquiring are usually 
apropos:
>  >>[Trio was returning from DA's founding meeting]
> 'And talking about Michael and Ginny... what about Cho and you?'
> 'What d'you mean?' said Harry quickly.
> [...]
> 'Well,' said Hermione, smiling slightly, 'she just couldn't keep 
her 
> eyes off you, could she?'<<
> More importantly is the time when Hermione is asking Harry about 
> Valentine's date she allegedly sabotaged:
>  >>Cho Chang walked into the Hall with her friend Marietta. 
Harry's 
> stomach gave an
> unpleasant lurch, but she did not look over at the Gryffindor 
table, and 
> sat down with her
> back to him.
> 'Oh, I forgot to ask you,' said Hermione brightly, glancing over 
at the 
> Ravenclaw table, 'what
> happened on your date with Cho? How come you were back so early?'<<
> It was only Cho Chang's entering the Hall that made Hermione 
remember 
> that Harry indeed have a date on previous day -- yes the previous 
day, 
> that dialogue took place during Monday's dinner. This seems to be 
in 
> agreement with Hermione's remark toward Skeeter: >>'Yes, yes, one 
of 
> these days you'll write more horrible stories about Harry and me,' 
said 
> Hermione indifferently. 'Find someone who cares, why don't you?'<<
> 
> Same thing before Gryff/Raven quidditch match:
>  >>'Oh, gosh, I forgot!' said Hermione, watching the eagle 
flapping its 
> wings as Luna walked
> serenely past a group of cackling and pointing Slytherins. 'Cho 
will be 
> playing, won't she?'
> Harry, who had not forgotten this, merely grunted.<<
> 
> 
> Before I move to Xmas snogging debriefing with Ron and Hermione, 
I'd 
> like, for the sake of SHIP's equality, to quote some pieces of 
OotP, 
> which might in fact support H/H ship (remember however that I 
reread the 
> book with R/H notion in mind, so that list is for sure biased and 
> incomplete):
> 1. Let us see what memories Harry had during first Occlumency 
> lessons:H&H Concession:
>  >>He was five, watching Dudley riding a new red bicycle, and his 
heart 
> was bursting with
> jealousy... [...]he was sitting under the Sorting Hat, and it was 
telling
> him he would do well in Slytherin... *Hermione* [emphasis mine - 
P.] was 
> lying in the hospital wing, her face
> covered with thick black hair... [...] Cho Chang was drawing 
nearer to 
> him under the mistletoe...<<
> 
> 2. The fact that when Hermione came to Grimmauld for Xmas, the 
first 
> thing she had done, was going upstairs to Harry:
>  >>Around six o'clock in the evening the doorbell rang and Mrs 
Black 
> started screaming again. [...]
> 'I know you're in there,' said Hermione's voice. 'Will you please 
come 
> out? I want to talk to
> you.'[...]So, I've come here for
> Christmas.' There was snow in her hair and her face was pink with 
cold. 
> [...] Anyway,' she said briskly,
> 'let's go to your bedroom, Ron's mum has lit a fire in there and 
she's 
> sent up sandwiches.'
> Harry followed her back to the second floor. When he entered the 
> bedroom, he was rather
> surprised to see both Ron and Ginny waiting for them, sitting on 
Ron's 
> bed.<<
> Now I think that all those was staged. Apparently Hermione was 
recalled 
> from her vacations because Harry's withdrawal (or she was just 
informed 
> of it by Ron's letter), and after consultations with Ron and 
Ginny, they 
> decided to lure Harry for a honest talk. Let's remember that 
Hermione is 
> not a Weasley (yet! <g>).
> 
> 3. Harry was helping Hermione with lessons -- with obvious results:
>  >>Harry agreed to test Hermione after lunch on Sunday, but 
regretted it 
> almost at once; she was very
> agitated and kept snatching the book back from him to check that 
she had 
> got the answer
> completely right, finally hitting him hard on the nose with the 
sharp 
> edge of Achievements in
> Charming. 'Why don't you just do it yourself?' he said firmly, 
handing 
> the book back to her, his eyes watering.<<
> 
> If you know some other quotes supporting H/H feel free to add 
there.
> 
> And now, let's move for a crucial event in 5th book R/H and H/H 
shipping 
> war. Post Xmas snogging debriefing starring: Harry, Ron and 
Hermione:
> [What they speak to each other was already analysed, I'd like to 
point 
> out non-verbal communication between (surprise!) Ron & Hermione, 
so I 
> cut almost all speech]:
>  >>Numbly surprised, Harry nodded. Ron sniggered, breaking off 
when 
> Hermione caught his
> eye.
> [...]
> Ron made a triumphant gesture with his fist and went into a 
raucous peal 
> of laughter that
> made several timid-looking second-years over beside the window 
jump. A 
> reluctant grin
> spread over Harry's face as he watched Ron rolling around on the 
hearthrug.
> Hermione gave Ron a look of deep disgust and returned to her 
letter.
> [...]
> Oh,' said Ron, his smile fading slightly. 'Are you that bad at 
kissing?'
> 'Dunno,' said Harry, who hadn't considered this, and immediately 
felt 
> rather worried. 'Maybe
> I am.'
> 'Of course you're not,' said Hermione absently, still scribbling 
away at 
> her letter.
> 'How do you know?' said Ron very sharply.
> [...]
> 'Ron,' said Hermione in a dignified voice, dipping the point of 
her 
> quill into her inkpot, 'you
> are the most insensitive wart I have ever had the misfortune to 
meet.'
> [...]
> A slightly stunned silence greeted the end of this speech, then 
Ron 
> said, 'One person can't feel
> all that at once, they'd explode.'
> 'Just because you've got the emotional range of a teaspoon doesn't 
mean 
> we all have,' said
> Hermione nastily picking up her quill again.
> [...]'<<
> Points to note here: Hermione still indifferent to Harry's dating 
life 
> (see above), and Hermione's two attacks on Ron's lack of emotions.
> And that's make us leaving H/H ship, and entering R/H ship which 
I'll 
> describe in another post in a moment.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Pshemekan

Or the reason she is so kind to Harry is because she does like him 
and she vents her anger on Ron, who is very deserving of it 
sometimes.  Why would she get upset over Ron's happiness for Harry's 
first kiss, maybe because she wanted to be Harry's first kiss.  Now 
Hwermione is as emotional as Harry sometimes and I think she would 
not try to be with Harry as Ginny wants to be.  Sorry if I am way 
off, its just my opinion.

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