is there a reason?

[maneelyfh]

No: HPFGUIDX 77473

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" <zanelupin at y...> wrote:
> Fran:
> 
> > Everyone seems to think that Fudge is just naive but I think he 
is 
> a 
> > LV supporter if not a DE.  Around the same passage quoted above, 
DD 
> > accuses Fudge of "putting too much importance on purity of 
blood". 
> > Things that bother me about Fudge:
> > 1) Puts the blame on Sirius for the Potter's, and Wormtails 
> supposed 
> > death without a trial or asking for an explanation.
> 
> KathyK replies:
> Crouch Sr. was the one to throw Sirius in Azkaban.  Sirius says so 
> himself in GoF.  "Oh I know Crouch all right," he said 
quietly.  "He 
> was the one who gave the order for me to be sent ot Azkaban--
without 
> a trial."  (US paperback, 526)  Fudge wasn't even minister until 
> after this.  Until Crouch Jr and the Lestranges tortured the 
> Longbottoms, everyone thought Crouch Sr was going to become the 
next 
> Minister.
> 
> Fran: 
>  2)The deatheaters in POA
> 
> KathyK:
> I don't know what you're referring to with this.  Are you talking 
> about the dementors, perhaps?
> 
> Fran:
> 
> > 3)The dementors kiss on Barty jr without taking the opportunity 
to 
> > question him.
> > 4)The whole parting of the ways.
> > 5)His continuing reluctance to believe LV is back at the end of 
> OOP. 
> > He didn't exactly go Oh MY God you were right all along DD, he 
> > reacted begrudgingly to it.
> 
> KathyK:
> His reluctance is understandable, if not outright explained.  Fudge 
> loves his power as Minister of Magic.  He's afraid of anything that 
> will upset his position, especially Dumbledore.  He grudgingly  
> accepts Voldemort's return at the end of OoP not because he's a DE 
> and doesn't want to admit that his "master" is back, but because he 
> didn't want to admit Dumbledore is right and that he's been not 
just 
> wrong about Voldemort's return but that he's been actively covering 
> up the evidence Dumbledore and Harry give so he can remain in 
power. 
> (ugh that's not a pretty sentence, is it?)
> And in the "Parting of the Ways" I saw Fudge's refusal to entertain 
> Voldemort's return as great fear of Voldemort and of what it could 
do 
> to his position.  The image that always sticks with me from that 
> scene is (US paperback, 709): 
> He rocked backward and forward on his small feet for a moment and 
> spun his bowler hat in his hands.  Finally, he said, with a hint of 
a 
> plea in his voice, "He can't be back, Dumbledore, he just can't 
be..."
> To me he doesn't seem like a DE or Voldemort supporter, just a 
small 
> man afraid to face the truth.
> 
> Fran:
> > 6)He thinks so highly of Lucious Malfoy. Yes I know Lucious gives 
> > money but giving money isnt that big a deal for someone who has 
> > alot.  
> > I realize that this is out there but I just dont believe he is 
that 
> > naive. I also believe Ludo Bagman is a DE.....Wimbourn 
Wasp...Wasp 
> > buzzing around in GOF and OOP.....
> > Fran
> 
> KathyK: 
> I don't think Fudge is naive, either.  He's in love with his own 
> power.  He believes in the purity of blood.  These things do not a 
> Death Eater make, IMO.  He's stupid for not believing Dumbledore, 
for 
> placing himself above the safety of the WW, and for continuing to 
> hold onto the notion of purity of blood.  But he's not a Voldemort 
> supporter.  He's also not the only one unwilling to believe that 
> Voldemort returned without proof beyond Dumbledore's word.  
> Dumbledore's word probably should be enough, but not for people who 
> want to believe their world is still safe and Voldemort-free.
> 
> KathyK (who does not believe Fudge and Umbridge are Death Eaters, 
no 
> matter how evil they act)

Reply:
yes I meant dementors for deatheaters--sorry about that.
If LV took over then fudge would surely loose his position as MOM!
Fran
Thanks for all the response as I enjoy all views!