Let's pick at that prophecy a little more, shall we?
scoutmom21113
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Mon Aug 18 00:29:33 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 77707
There were so many good thoughts in this thread that I tried to
collect them and comment in just one post. I think I've managed to
give credit where necessary. If not, my apologies.
Wanda wrote (77580):
Voldemort could just have *identified* Harry as the one he was
looking for. It doesn't necessarily mean that he *made* Harry into
his match. <snip>
Next point, in what way is Harry Voldemort's "equal"? He has nowhere
near as much power; even though he's outwitted him 4 times, he
himself says that it had as much to do with luck and help as
anything.
RB responds:
How is it that that a teenage boy has been so lucky on numerous
occasions against one of the most powerful wizards of the age?
Normally luck will only go so far before a certain amount of
experience or talent is necessary to continue on. But Harry as a
baby, then again as an innocent 11-year old, had no experience. So
was it luck or was it talent? Is that potential talent what
Voldemort noticed (marked)?
Laurasia wrote (77613):
The point I'm trying to make here is that Voldemort has marked Harry
as equal just by considering him a threat.
RB responds:
Did Voldemort mark him by considering him a threat? Or by the
failure of the killing curse? IMHO, there is something more
involved with this failed curse whether it's Lily's sacrifice, or
something within Harry himself. The prophecy says: "...he will have
power..." not "...he will be given power..."
Hickengruendler wrote (77625):
We don't actually know this, that he hasn't bother Neville. In fact,
if I were Voldemort and heard, that a baby could be my downfall, I
would try to kill both possible candidates, just to get sure. It is
IMO absolutely possible, if not likely, that Voldemort wanted to
kill both babies, but that he had the opportunity to kill Harry
first, because the Longbottoms had a secret keeper, that wasn't a
Death Eater.
RB responds:
I agree this is the most likely scenario. Didn't Sirius tell Lupin
in PoA that Wormtail was made Secret Keeper only a week before the
Potters were killed. That would support this idea. On the other
hand this is a very simple explanation and we all know how sneaky
JKR is <g>.
Laurasia wrote (77644):
Well, he didn't seem remotely interested in Neville at the
Department of Mysteries. Neville wasn't kidnapped and tied to a
Gravestone in his fourth year. So maybe Voldemort *wanted* to kill
both Harry and Neville when they were one, but he seems to have
stopped trying to kill Neville since then. This, IMO, shows that
Voldemort has accpeted that Harry is the one spoken of in the
prophecy.
RB responds:
Or by this time he really really wants revenge. And did he even
notice Neville at the Ministry? Voldemort didn't show up until
Harry had chased Bellatrix into the entrance hall. If he watched
the earlier fight he likely thought Neville was just one of the
students.
Margaret wrote (77638):
I still think the prophecy *may* mean Neville. No, Voldemort did
not "mark him" in the physical sense, but not all marks are visible.
Perhaps it means psychologically, in a way Voldemort's responsible
for who Neville is, just as he is for who Harry is.
RB responds:
There have been a number of posts discussing whether or not Neville
is involved in the prophecy (mine included). I think Harry is "the
one", mainly because he is the main character, but I think Neville
will be involved in some way. Otherwise, Neville's development in
OoP makes a nice, but unimportant, side plot. There is so much in
this book that sets that stage for books 6 and 7 (JKR supposedly
said that she had to made sure all the right clues were included)
that there isn't room for anything that isn't necessary.
Donna wrote (77645):
Since "blood" is so important to Voldemort, wouldn't he think that
someone in his own bloodline be more powerful than someone who
wasn't?
RB responds:
There has been a lot of speculation on Harry's family, and JKR is
being very cagey about James and Lily. I'm certain there will be
some kind of family connection, but IMHO, I don't think we are going
to read "...Harry, I *am* your [grand]father..." <bg>
Margaret wrote (77700):
The prophecy doesn't say he will acknowledge that he's marked him as
his equal, just that he will mark him.
RB responds:
Actually, it does. Page 841 (US): "...and the Dark Lord will mark
him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not..."
Another thought: do Harry and Neville share the same birthday or was
Neville born a day or two before?
Ravenclaw Bookworm
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