13 to a table defense - Ginny was the first to rise

[kiricat2001]

No: HPFGUIDX 78328

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <christianrooster at h...> 
wrote:
> 
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "drago9nine" 
> <dragonlet9 at e...> 
> > >...right before Sirius stands up, I believe 
> > > we see Ginny sitting on the floor playing with Crookshanks.  
> > Doesn't 
> > > that mean she had to have gotten up from the table before 
Sirius 
> > > stands?
> > > 
> 
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "kiricat2001" 
<Zarleycat at a...> 
> wrote in reply:
> > Good catch - pg. 87 US edition "Ginny, who had lured Crookshanks 
> out 
> > from under the dresser, was sitting cross-legged on the floor..."
> > 
> > This is right before the argument about what Harry should be told 
> > regarding the Order.  
> 
> If I understand this argument, it's that Ginny must have gotten up 
> from the table in order to sit on the floor with Crookshanks?   I 
> don't buy that because we don't know when Molly sits down (during 
> dinner she was serving, it would seem).

I'm not sure what it is you're not buying - that Ginny had to have 
gotten up from the table or that she was not necessarily the first 
one to get up because we don't know exactly when Molly sat down.  

> The question in my mind is "is sitting on the floor sitting "at" 
the 
> table"?  

I would say not, not even if she simply slithered off her chair onto 
the floor under the table.  If she is sitting on the floor, she is no 
longer sitting at the table.

 If not, then Sirius's standing up didn't really mean 
> anything (it could have been a red herring).

Or something JKR completely overlooked.


> If it is, it would explain the strange exchange where when Sirius 
> stands up, Someone tells him sharply to sit down, and then molly 
was 
> trembling and Sirius was "White".  Why was Molly trembling?  Was 
she 
> truly afraid of Sirius?   I see no other evidence. 

> Now Whiteness is normally a reaction from fear - he was angry 
before 
> (red face), was he fearful because he lost his temper or because he 
> broke a taboo?  
> 
> Mark


Sirius "started to rise from his chair" right after Molly, "her lip 
curling," makes her Azkaban comment.  Lupin tells Sirius to sit down 
and he sinks slowly back into his chair, face white. Molly wasn't 
trembling.  Her lip was trembling. I think she was angry at Sirius 
because he was pushing to tell Harry things, she was upset because 
none of the other adults jumped in to back her up, and she was also 
in high gear to prove that Harry was really almost her own son and 
that Sirius had no right to make any sort of judgements regarding 
Harry's welfare.

I saw no evidence of Sirius being red-faced in that scene.  Later on 
in the book, when the Weasleys show up the night Arthur is attacked, 
one of the twins snaps at Sirius about how he's not out there risking 
his life, and Sirius again pales.  He's also clearly very annoyed, if 
not downright angry at that comment.  I think JKR's standard 
description of an angry Sirius as being pale or white.

Marianne