POA Dementor Kiss on Harry - New Question

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No: HPFGUIDX 78392

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "severusbook4" 
<severusbook4 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <bboy_mn at y...> wrote:
> > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" 
> <talisman22457 at y...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "James Redmont" 
> > > <jamesredmont at h...> wrote:
> > > > --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "bohcoo" 
> <sydenmill at m...> 
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > <snip>> > How did Fudge know the dementors tried to Kiss 
> Harry? 
> > 
> > >  James Redmont said:
> > > > DD told him, I'll bet.  How did DD know?  He knows 
everything, 
> > > > doesn't he?
> > > 
> > 
> > > Talisman,swoops in to say:
> > > 
> > > I believe Snape told DD.  Snape was the only one in a position 
> to do 
> > > so.  
> > > 
> Snape here:
> 
> Snape came to as the dementors were proceding back to their guard 
> posts. He would not have seen anything happen, as he did not 
mention 
> Harry's patronus, Snape didn't know what caused the dementors to 
> retreat.  
> 
> > 
> > bboy_mn:
> > 
> > Here is a wild and crazy idea, maybe Fudge talked to the 
Dementors 
> and asked them what happened. 
> 
> Severus here:
> 
> I believe it was DD's ability to read minds through that L word 
that 
> Snape used on Harry to teach him that Occulemency (sp?).  But if 
> Fudge took this as fact, wouldn't he also except the fact that 
> Wormtail was actually there, because DD would be able to see it in 
> Harry's, Hemione's, and Ron's minds?  And Sirious would receive a 
> full pardon?  There are too many inconsistencies, the only way that 
> Fudge could know was that he either spoke to the dementors (can 
they 
> speak?) or he had ordered the kiss to be used against Harry.  Maybe 
> under the mind control of MacNair, a know DE.    
> 
> > snip
<snip> 
> Severus here:
> 
> Sirius was the first to go down from the dementors effect, he would 
> not have seen anything either.  And as far getting anything out of 
> Harry, he was unconscious until woken by Fudges conversation with 
> Snape outside the hospital wing door.   Same with Hermione.  Poppy 
> never mentioned the fact that either was muttering in their sleep.  
> Ron was out until they returned from using the time turner.
> 
> bboy here:
> 
> > snip <
> > Short version: The Dementors told him.
> > 
> > Just a thought.
> > 
> > bboy_mn
> 
> Severus here:  
> 
> Or he told them to do it and Harry drove them away with his 
> patronus.  And since Harry survived, Fudge had to cover his butt.   
> I believe Fudge doesn't care for Harry or if he survives at all, to 
> Fudge, he is just bait to get Sirius to show at Hogwarts.  And this 
> could be backed up in GoF, Fudge was helping Harry, so he could win 
> the TWC and be the one to touch the cup.  Does Fudge know that 
> Wormtail is still alive and tried to catch Sirius before he got to 
> Wormtail?  I think Fudge is a DE sympathiser (sp?).
> 
> Severus

/comment:
Further proof that Fudge is a LV supporter as I have said along, and 
gotten shot down more than once.  IMVHO, I think Fudge showing up at 
the Leaky Cauldron to make sure Harry was alright was just a cover. 
Fudge was there to make sure that Harry will get to where Fudge wants 
him so the Dementors can do their job. I also wonder (this is going 
to be really out there for most people) if the army of creatures that 
all fear as stated by LV in GOF is the same creatures that Luna 
Lovegood says that Fudge is breeding in OOTP.
Fran
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