Malfoy's Goal in CoS (was: Re: Lucius Malfoy, Voldemort and World Domination)

[a_reader2003]

No: HPFGUIDX 78698

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "KathyK" <zanelupin at y...> wrote:
> I wrote:
> >>>And to expound on that idea, it would make Malfoy the one in 
> charge.  Perhaps he believes that this sixteen-year-old boy can be 
> molded into whatever Lucius finds appropriate.  I would imagine 
that 
> even thoroughly muggle-hating sixteen-year-old Tom Riddle could 
still 
> be influenced.<<< 
> 
> 
> CW commented:
>  
> >>Kathy, in CS, p231 (UK edition), the text reads:
> (Riddle talking) " 'How did you escape with nothing but a scar, 
> while Lord Voldemort's powers were destroyed ?' There was an odd 
red 
> gleam in his hungry eyes now. 
> 'Why do you care how I escaped ?' said Harry slowly. 'Voldemort was 
> after your time.' 
> 'Voldemort' says Riddle softly, 'is my past, present and future, 
> Harry Potter...'
> etc etc (the anagram scene of his name)
>  
> To me, this passage clearly indicates that the Tom Riddle of the 
> diary is fully aware of his future, and who he became, and is 
indeed 
> one and the same person in this scene, so I am not sure how Lucius 
> Malfoy could have thought he could manipulate a schoolboy 
Voldemort. 
> But perhaps Lucius misunderstood the nature of the 'being' that was 
> held between the diary's pages ?<<  
> 
> <snipping points on Malfoy having the Diary in Flourish and Blotts 
> and what he may have wanted>
> 
> KathyK replies:
> 
> See, I read the above passage differently.  I read it as Diary!Tom 
> knowing who he is, certainly.  I think he's aware of what he did in 
> the future because of what Ginny Weasley told him.  So he's 
confident 
> he will become that again.  I also think he's aware of the passage 
of 
> time. 
> 
> The way he says it does sound like he Diary!Tom and the present 
Lord 
> Voldemort could be the same person, but as I said, that's not what 
I 
> got from it.  
>  
> I don't think I'm explaining well what it is I'm trying to say.  
But 
> if it helps clarify how I interpreted Diary!Tom's above statement, 
> read message # 78653.  In that post, I wrote some of the reasons 
why 
> I believe Diary!Tom is self-contained and not in any way connected 
to 
> the present Voldemort.  
> 
> And I will try to see if I can figure out exactly how to express 
what 
> I want to say while I'm at work <g>.
> 
> KathyK (frustrated by time constraints)

CW replies:

Yes, I've read your post, and it is an interesting idea that he only 
knows what has happened through what Ginny etc may have told him, but 
the 'odd red gleam in his hungry eyes' ? I thought this description 
was a real giveaway. I think his eyes only got this creepy after he 
left school and sunk himself in the dark arts ? I still think the 
Diary was one of his long-term ploys to avoid death, and it so nearly 
succeeds ! I agree that Malfoy almost certainly would not have wanted 
him to reappear though.