Harry's Wand, Dumbledore, Fawkes, Crookshanks

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 78797

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre F Woodward"
<dwoodward at t...> wrote:
> orourkeg:
> > Knowing the prophesy, might Dumbledore have commissioned the
> > second wand using Fawkes' tail feather
> 
> bboy_mn:
> 
> >So this premonition of the need for a Phoenix wand in the future 
> >could havelead [Dumbledore}to commissioning it.
> 


> me (Deirdre):
> 
> pg 85, SS, Scholastic Press:  "It so happens that the phoenix whose 
> tailfeather is in your wand, gave another feather . . . "
> 
> I've always read this line as Fawkes giving the feather.  I
> read Fawkes as being independent and autonomous, making his own
> decisions -- much like Crookshanks.  I don't think Dumbledore had
> anything to do with it, ...edited...
> 
> Deirdre
> Eight of Eight

bboy_mn:

Actually, I agree with you. There is a limited amount of information I
can put in a post before the details start to obscure the point. But I
do agree, I put out the idea a long time ago that you can't TAKE a
feather from a Phoenix; it can only be willingly given. But that
doesn't mean Dumbledore couldn't ask Fawkes to give a feather, and
then take that feather and have a second wand made for Harry. 

On the other hand, we do see Fawkes give several feathers in the most
recent book (OotP) as a means of delivering messages. Those are
feathers willingly given but I'm not sure if they are suitable for
wands. If they are suitable for wands then it is likely that
Dumbledore has a collection of several of them, perhaps a dozen or
more accumulated over time. In that case, Fawkes feathers would not be
all that rare.

There are some, myself included, who speculated that the Order of the
Phoenix would be founded around a group of people who all had Fawkes
feather wands custom made for them to give them an advantage in
fighting Voldemort. That seems less likely now that Order of the
Phoenix has been published, but the story line doesn't rule it out yet.

Back to your main point, I agree an intelligent non-domesticated
magical bird like Fawkes would not allow feathers to be plucked. They
only way to get a Phoenix feather is if the phoenix willingly gives it up.

Just a thought.

bboy_mn