FUDGE IS A DE!!!!

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No: HPFGUIDX 78812

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "erinellii" <erinellii at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "spedlegs4169" 
<rjpuntoni at a...> 
> wrote: 
> >         One other thought on all of this, there have been plenty 
of 
> > times where Harry and Fudge have been in the same room, and I may 
> > have to check this, but i do believe that Fudge has touched Harry
> > (I'm thinking of when Harry arrives at the Leaky Cauldron in 
PoA).  
> > If Fudge was a DE wouldn't Harry's scar have hurt if Fudge had 
> > touched him if he is a Death Eater, his scar hurt when he was 
near 
> > Umbridge or when Umbridge touched him.  So wouldn't it be the 
same 
> > with Fudge the DE?
> >           -RJ
> 
> 
>   No, because;
> 
> 1.  Umbridge isn't a proven death eater.
>   
> 2.  Umbridge wasn't the one who caused Harry's scar to hurt.  It 
hurt 
> because Voldemort was feeling a strong surge of emotion related to 
> Sturgis Podmore's attempt to get the prophecy at the time. Umbridge 
> just happened to be near Harry.
> 
>   And also, I don't think anyone besides Voldemort CAN make the 
scar 
> hurt.  I don't think its something that holds true for all the DEs, 
> otherwise Harry could be used as a sort of living dark detector- 
just 
> push him up against suspects, and if he yells, arrest the person 
> immediately!
> 
> So Fudge touching Harry proves nothing.  Mind you, I think it has 
> been made pretty clear the Fudge is NOT a DE, otherwise the whole 
> fifth book's plot would have been pretty pointless.
> 
> Erin

And its not proven she is not.  She does seem to know how to use a 
cruciatus curse and was willing to use it on Harry.

It was Sirius who suggested the Potters us Petter Pettigrew as scret 
keeper, and he was dead wrong about that one. Excuse the pun!
In OOTP, he says Umbridge may be mean but not a DE.  Golly Gee, 
Sirius has been wrong before.....

Fudge being a DE is a point in the plot as the MOM is so totally 
against the idea of LV being back.  This gives LV pleanty of time to 
round up old supporters and acquire new. The denial of LV's return 
also makes life for the Order very hard, especially on Sirius. If 
Fudge had believed DD, then he may have had a change of heart on 
Sirius.

fran