Things that will come into play later.

[mochajava13]

No: HPFGUIDX 79391

Hmm, some pretty interesting stuff here.

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "mom31" <mom31 at r...> wrote:
> Some things from OOP I think will come into play later.
> 
> 1.  Hermione's otter patronus and/or Cho's swan patronus.  Were 
they the only ones to succeed with that spell?  If not, why show us 
only theirs?  Was it to show us that Cho is a powerful witch or was 
it just a personality match? (Swans are beautiful from afar, but not 
very friendly and even a little dangerous up close)  Was Hermione's 
otter a clue like Sirius's code name "snuffles" (snuffed out)?  Add 
a P to otter, and what do you get?  Can we assume Ron didn't make a 
patronus?

I was wondering if those two were the only ones that could perform 
the spell, also.  Adult wizards were impressed that Harry could 
perform the spell at all, and even more impressed that he could at 
age 13.  I was under the impression that more than just Hermione and 
Cho could produce one, since we saw a few failed attempts from 
others.  Plus, a few patronuses disappeared when Dobby entered the 
room, and unless two is a few, I think more than just Cho and 
Hermione worked the spell.  I did find it interesting that Ron 
wasn't mentioned in this scene, though.  

Also, I thought Hermione and Cho's patronuses (however you pluralize 
that word) were so girly and cutesy.  Not that a stag strikes fear 
into the heart of anyone, but at least it's got big antlers to be, 
well, pointy an look menacing.  Harry's stag did charge at the 
dementors.  What's so threatening about a swan?  At least that's a 
land creature.  What was with Hermione's otter?  Don't get me wrong, 
I adore otters and think they're adorable, but if you're not an 
abalone or other shell fish, how is that frightening?  And how could 
either charge at a dementor?  Hermione's otter what, gamboling 
around the room?  I can't picture that; I can only picture an otter 
floating on its back with a shellfish to eat or diving underwater to 
get said shellfish.  Yes, I know that patronuses are the projection 
of good feelings and should look nice and all, but I still feel like 
Harry did at first: they should be be a Hagrid sized figure with a 
club.


> 
> 2.  The way the stairs to the girls dorm turned into a slide.  I 
think it's a little late in the books to mention something like this 
unless it will come into play later.  Harry and Ron never tried to 
visit Hermione before, not in 5 years?  They never heard about it 
from anybody else?  You'd think someone would have mentioned it 
before!  If that same scene had been in SS or CoS I wouldn't think 
anything of it.  Book 5 though?  

How funny was that scene?  I loved it!  I'll bet that someone knows 
how to get around that problem before.   Hermione only visited Ron 
and Harry in their rooms at holidays, which Ron wasn't very 
comfortable with.  Now, if Harry and Ron wanted to sneak up to the 
girls dorms for other reasons, they'll have to figure out a way to 
do it!  (Somehow I think that Lupin might know the answer to that 
one from James sneaking up there.)


> 
> 3.  Harry throwing the unforgivable curse. Was it simply a way for 
JKR to show us how horrible Harry was feeling inside, that he would 
resort to that?  Was it to teach Harry ,or us, how it's used and why 
Harry wasn't successful with it?  Is it going to eat at Harry that 
he lost control like that?  The fact that Harry did it was a very 
big deal, but I'm not sure if the important part was that he tried 
it or that he failed at it. 
> 

Why did Harry attempt to use the Cruciatus and not Avada Kedavra?  
He said he wanted to kill Bellatrix, but he ended up trying to make 
her feel pain.  Personally, I think he felt the same way then as he 
did in Dumbledore's office: a desire to make someone else feel the 
pain that he was feeling.  Harry even said that he wanted to hurt 
Dumbledore so that Dumbledore could feel the pain that he, Harry, 
was in.  I wonder how Harry will react to attempting, and failing, 
to use an unforgivable.  What did he actually do to Bellatrix?  She 
did get knocked off her feet, but she wasn't writhing and 
screaming.  Was she even telling the truth?  And who will Harry turn 
to for these answers now that Sirius is gone?  I'm worried that 
Harry will try to practice the Unforgivables so that he can use them 
on death eaters.  He might turn to Lupin for an answer, but Harry 
doesn't quite see Lupin as a father figure.  (Even though I think 
Lupin cares about Harry as he would a nephew.)  Harry is going to be 
changed in the next book.  Angry, guilty, and depressed.  Not a good 
combination; I wonder if he'll become suicidal at any point (if he 
does get that depressed).

> 4.  Why was Ron's role somewhat weakened in this book and 
Hermione's elevated?  I'm not talking about shipping here.  Yes, Ron 
was off doing his own stuff, which has to be important later.  Why 
couldn't he have succeeded on his own, and still contributed more 
with Harry and everyone else.  He was at the MoM, but he was put 
with Ginny and Luna, not Harry and Hermione.  Plus, JKR had him 
acting all stupid there.  He also kept himself distant from Harry by 
refusing to offer his opinion several times, even when Harry was 
about to do something dangerous.  Hermione and Harry were very close 
in this book.  Why did JKR need to strengthen their bond even more?  
It makes me worry for Hermione in the next book!
>
> Joj 


I'm so glad that others thought this; I thought I was just looking 
for shipping clues!  I did notice that Hermione had a much larger 
role in OoP, but it's fitting with the relationship between the two 
that's been growing since saving Sirius together. Ron wasn't in a 
large part of PoA, he wasn't speaking to Harry in a large part of 
GoF, and his role was lessened in this book.  It seemed to me that 
Harry was closer in this book to Hermione than to Ron.  Who knows, 
maybe its foreshadowing of life without Ron?  Or that Harry and 
Hermione are getting closer while Ron is branching out more?  Ron 
finally got the attention that he was craving, for things he did 
without Harry.  (Although I think it's a little ironic that Ron was 
Dumbledore's second choice for prefect, and Ron might not have been 
the Quidditch star of the last match if Harry hadn't gotten kicked 
off the team.)  

I think that Ron's distance might be a defense mechanism on Ron's 
part.  I think that Ron might finally understand that Harry is a 
target for murder, and not some famous heartthrob.  Growing up in 
the wizarding world, I don't think that Ron really understood that 
someone really wanted Harry dead, and has since Harry was a year 
old.  I think Ron thought like the other wizards, that Voldemort was 
gone for good.  I think the events in SS/PS might have even 
solidified Ron's view that Voldemort was gone for good, and Harry 
would always be there to prevent Voldemort from coming back.  
Harry's no longer just a hero, but he's now also a figure to be 
pitied: he watched someone die, was forced to watch an evil wizard 
get raised, and was violated by being forced to participate in the 
ritual to bring back the evil wizard.  Plus, this evil wizard wants 
Harry dead.  I think that Ron finally grasps this, and just doesn't 
quite know how to handle it.  Ron might be distancing himself from 
Harry to protect himself emotionally if Harry is killed.  

Sarah