Bang! You're Dead.

[justcarol67]

No: HPFGUIDX 86415

Arcum:
> A lot of spells could kill if used right. Using Accio on
> sharp objects behind someone, Wingardium Leviosa, stunning
> someone so they fall into something deadly (Sirius),
> knocking someone into something hard enough with
> Expelliarmus (Snape in PoA, only harder), etc...

Carol:
Thanks. That makes it much easier to defend the position that Harry
should not resort to the Unforgiveable Curses because they're the
tactics of Voldemort and the DEs. I'm glad that he and his friends,
like the Aurors before them, can fight back without resorting to evil
tactics. Just don't sneak up on people, don't initiate the fight,
don't commit wilful murder, don't use the Unforgiveables. Do fight for
justice, do defend yourself and your friends, but do it in a way
consistent with maintaining your personal integrity and principles.


> > Arcum:
> > > Umbridge didn't end up Crucioing Harry, but threatened
> > > him with it, and started to cast it.
> > 
> > Carol: Which shows that right away that she's evil.
> > Unlike Harry, who was in a state of great agitation when
> > he tried and failed to Crucio Bella, she was perfectly
> > calm in choosing to use an illegal and unethical
> > spell--not to mention hypocritical since she was trying
> > to ban defensive spells and potions that could be used in
> > war. I wonder if her magic (and her malice) would have
> > been strong enough to make it work. She seems like a
> > feeble excuse for a witch, but there's no question of her
> > cruelty (making Harry write his lines in his own blood).
> > Anyone think she's secretly a DE or in league with them?
> > (Arcum, do you have that page reference?)

Arcum: 
> Page 746 of the US version of OoP for the threat, followed
> by crying out "Cruc-" with her wand pointed at Harrys
> forehead on page 747. She had "a nasty, eager, excited look
> on her face" and pointed at several areas on Harrys body
> "trying to decide what would hurt the most" prior to that.
> She's even mentioned as panting slightly while doing this.
> 
> So, calm is not the right term to describe her at this
> point. This scene gives me all too clear of an idea why she
> gives Filth approval for whipping.  I don't know about
> being a DE, but I think she has the same sadistic mindset.

Carol:
Thanks. That takes us back to Bella, then. It seems as if sadistic 
pleasure in inflicting pain or death *is* essential to casting the
Unforgiveable Curses effectively. (BTW, I think sadism explains why
Bella prefers Crucio to Avada Kedavra.)

I like your little Freudian slip of "Filth" for "Filch." I suppose we
should all be very glad that he's a squib and owes a debt of gratitude
to Dumbledore. Otherwise, he could be very dangerous.

Carol