THe nature of the Unforgivables(was Re: [HPforGrownups] Re: Bang!You're dead.)

[justcarol67]

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> > Angel: But this raises an interesting question. In Moody's lesson he
> talks about using AK, and said he wouldn't get a nosebleed if the whole
> class did it. If Neville had had the torture of his parents uppermost
> in his mind and all the hatred at Crouch, could he have killed Moody,
> at that point, because of it?
> 
> > Carol: I don't think the identity of the person you're aiming AK at
> matters--only the anger and hatred of the person casting the spell.
> the Death Eaters undoubtedly AKd anonymous Muggles and some of the DEs
> > tried to AK Harry's friends in the MoM without knowing who they were.
> > Barty Jr. if he had known who he was and what he had done...remember,
> > Harry couldn't successfully Crucio Bellatrix, who had just killed
> > Sirius and was gloating about it. The same thing would have happened
> > to Neville if he had tried to AK Imposter!Moody knowing the full
> truth. <snipping liberties taken>
> 
Entropy: 
> It might be helpful to think of the Crucio or AK curses as similar to
> producing a patronus. Harry's experience with the patronus has been
> written about extensively in the books, so it's a good point of
> reference.  Three things are needed to successfully produce a patronus:
> 
> 1. Power. We know that it usually takes a fairly powerful, full-grown
> wizard to produce a patronus.  Harry, whose powers have been magnified
> by Voldemort's attempt on his life, has the magical ability to produce
> it.  
> 2. Good thoughts. Happy memories must be recalled. 
> 3. Practice.  A great deal of practice and effort in learning to use
> the spell are necessary as well.  
> 
> The Crucio and AK spells could be thought of as anti-patronus.  The
> power and practice are necessary elements, but instead of good
> thoughts, the wizard must produce and direct a great deal of hatred
> and evil as well.  Given that Harry has an abundance of both hatred
> (at the DE's and Voldemort for the death of his parents and now
> Sirius) and evil (supposedly as a result of Voldemort's failed AK at
> him), Crouch!Moody was probably underestimating Harry when he said no
> one in the class could successfully AK him.  With a bit of work, Harry
> seems to have all of the elements of a wicked AK in him.

Carol:
I like your three steps, which would apply to the Imperius Curse as
well. As for Harry having the power to use them at some point, I'm
sure he will--all the more reason not to use them unless he wants to
become another Voldemort. He needs to emphasize the differences
between himself and Tom Riddle, not the similarities. The best thing
that could happen to Harry would be to lose all the powers that came
to him from Voldemort and be left with those he inherited from his
parents--transfiguration, charms, and flying/quidditch.

Carol