Are Malfoy and Fudge the real masterminds? wasDid voldemort mean to allow

[Jen Reese]

No: HPFGUIDX 86923

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "ghinghapuss" 
<rredordead at a...> wrote:
<snipped very good theory because all I can say is "I agree!!!"

> Another thought is perhaps Lucius could have used Snape and 
Kreature 
> to encourage the Orders participation, leading to a pitch battle 
in 
> the Ministry that could only lead to arrests on both sides.  WE 
know 
> the Order was at the Ministry to save Harry but will the WW see it 
> that way?  Or will they see the Order as bad as the DEs, also 
> breaking into the Ministry illegally to do heaven knows what?  Can 
> Fudge spin that?

Jen R: Wow, Mandy--really nice conspiracy theory at work here! I 
like it. I just had a thought on this point in particular. Except 
for Tonks and perhaps Mad-Eye, who were down, the rest of the Order 
members probably apparated out once Dumbledore subdued the DE's. For 
that matter, DD could have made an illegal Port-key and had Tonks 
and Mad Eye transported to Grimmauld or St. Mungos with several of 
the others so they could get healed (and also not to lose an Auror 
inside the Ministry if Fudge found Tonks at the MOM). I doubt there 
was anyone left to arrest.

Mandy: 
> The only problem with this theory is it renders Voldemort 
redundant. 
> And if Voldemort is redundant so is Harry Potter and then we have 
no 
> reason for the books in the first place. ;-) Also having Lucius in 
> jail allows Draco to step up to the plate and slip into his 
daddy's 
> shoes. Which I really do want to see.


Jen R: Not redundant....just...compromised for the moment! And 
definitely just for this moment only.  If Lucius and Fudge are in 
cahoots, I suspect they will be in for a nasty surprise soon because 
the real story IS Harry and Voldemort. 

Lucius and Fudge may be trying to manipulate the situation to their 
advantage, but they don't have the proper 'feeling' behind their 
motives. Like the feeling required to cast an Unforgiveable, the 
Order and LV/DE's both have a much stronger and broader motivation 
behind their movements than merely personal gain--they both have a 
vision for the Transformation of the WW, even though their 
philosophies are polar-opposite.

So, just as Harry can't cast an Unforgiveable, "You need to *mean* 
them, Potter!", Lucius and Fudge won't be able to sustain their 
conspiracy. They'll either undermine each other internally, or 
the "real" players will discover (or already know) the subterfuge at 
work.  So Lucius and Fudge definitely aren't the Masterminds IMO, 
but they are definitely trying to work this to their advantage and 
they will PAY!!!

Jen, suddenly finding herself on the good ship FEATHERBOAS without 
knowing how she got here....