Snape and Krum -Relatives?

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No: HPFGUIDX 87058

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Berit Jakobsen" Message 87048 
<belijako at o...> wrote:
> Krum and Snape are both described as being thin, dark and sallow-
> skinned with large hooked/curved noses and black, prominent eyes. 
> They're both distinctly round-shouldered (the juvenile version of 
> Snape), and both are described looking like overgrown winged 
> creatures; one as a bat and the other as a bird of prey. Snape is 
> described as walking in a twitching manner; Krum is duck-footed and 
> also walking awkwardly. Both have a grumpy and surly look about 
them; 
> keeping to themselves, being moody and not too talkative; scowling, 
> contracting their eyebrows etc. What Snape doesn't seem to have, 
are 
> Krum's thick eyebrows, and Krum's hair doesn't seem to be greasy. 
But 
> other than that the two are described very similarly, aren't they, 
> both when it comes to physical appearance and personality.
> 
> Anyone thinks this is significant; that they might be related 
> somehow? I'm not saying Krum is Snape's son (I don't think so), 
just 
> that they might be related; purely based on Rowling's description 
of 
> them. I'm sorry if this topic has been dealt with earlier on this 
> forum; I tried to search for anything on the subject, but couldn't 
> find any...

"K":

It's been discussed before but I guess I'm one of the few who think 
Snape and Krum are very similiar. Actually Krum and Harry have 
something in common and that is their ability to fly. They both seem 
to have a natural ability for it.

As you said, Snape and Krum have some things in common. Krum is 
described as grouchy, grumpy, surly, brooding, moody. That would 
describe Snape also. They are both very thin. Both have dark hair, 
large noses, and swallow skin. Both have a father with a hooked nose. 
They both like to stand in a corner or in the background or in 
shadows. And...they are both round-shouldered. Krum is described at 
least three times in GoF as being round-shouldered and then in OoP we 
are told for the first time that a teenage Snape was round-
shouldered. Neither Krum nor Snape seem to be bothered by the cold. 
The dungeon where Snape teaches is cold and Krum swims in freezing 
cold water.

Yet there are some difference between Snape and Krum. Krum is 
described as tall but the only thing we know about Snape's height is 
that he was considerably shorter than Sirius. No where is Snape 
mentioned as being tall. Krum is also a natural on a broom whereas it 
appears that a young Snape had trouble.

Let me just give some examples that I've had forever.

GoF/pg 63/Ch 5/US  Bulgaria has got Viktor Krum, though..

Pg 83/Ch 7/  Viktor Krum, the Bulgarian Seeker.

Pg 109/Ch 8/ ...a *large curved nose* and thick black eyebrows.

Pg 443/Ch 24  He was *very skinny* indeed...he's mad, said Harry, 
staring at Krum's *dark* head as it bobbed out into the middle of the 
lake. "It must be freezing, it's January!"

Pg 115/Ch 8/ Harry noticed that he (Krum) seemed much less 
coordinated on the ground. He was slightly *duck footed* and 
distinctly *round-shouldered*.

Pg 127/Ch 9/ Like the real Krum, the model was *slightly duck-footed* 
and *round-shouldered*, much less impressive on his splayed feet than 
on his broomstick.

Pg 309/Ch 18/ Viktor Krum got up and *slouched*, *round-shouldered* 
and duck-footed*...

Pg 552/Ch 28 But Krum glowered at him, and Harry, somehow struck anew 
by how tall Krum was...

Pg 269/Ch 16 Harry saw Viktor Krum rise from the Slytherin table and 
*slouch* up toward Dumbledore...

Pg 273/Ch 17 Krum, *hunched-up* and *brooding*...

Pg 275/Ch 17 Viktor Krum straightened up. His *surly* face darkened...

Pg 105/Ch 8 "He looks really *grumpy*," said Hermione.

Pg 349/Ch 20 Viktor Krum looked even *surlier* than usual which Harry 
supposed was his way of showing nerves.

Pg 423/Ch 23 Krum was looking *surly* again.

Pg 302/Ch 18 Viktor Krum was standing *moodily* in a *corner* as usual
and not talking to anybody.

Pg 615/Ch 21 Viktor Krum was in a *corner*, conversing with his *dark 
haired* mother and father in rapid Bulgarian. He had inherited his 
father's *hooked nose*.

OoP/pg 461/Ch 21/ "Yeah, but apart from that," said Ron, sounding 
aggravated. "I mean he's a *grouchy* git, isn't he?" Bit *grouchy*, 
yeah," said Harry...

We all know about Snape but I'll throw in a few things anyway:

SS/126/Ch 7 ...greasy *black hair*, a *hooked nose*, and *sallow 
skinned*.

GoF/pg 516/Ch 27 "Don't lie to me," Snaped hissed, his fathomless 
*black eyes* boring into Harry's.

OoP/643/Ch 28 (Sch) *Round shouldered*, yet angular, he walked in a
*twitchy manner* that recalled a spider, his oily hair swinging about 
his face. (I believe this is the first time Snape is mentioned as 
being round-shouldered).

OoP/647/Ch 28 Snape was hanging upside down in the air, his robes 
falling over his head to reveal *skinny*, pallid legs...

OoP/592/ch 26 ...a *hook-nosed man* was shouting at a cowering woman, 
while a small *dark-haired* boy cried in a corner...

I do believe there is something to Krum being from Bulgaria but I 
won't get into that right now. Instead let's look at Durmstrang.
What type of school is Durmstrang? What is it known for? It's known 
for the Dark Arts.

GoF/Pg 165/Ch 11/ ...and Durmstrang doesn't admit that sort of 
riffraff. But Mother didn't like the idea of me going to school so 
far away. Father says Durmstrang takes a far more sensible line than 
Hogwarts about the Dark Arts. Durmstrang students actually learn 
them...

Pg 166/Ch 11/ "Yes," said Hermione sniffily, "and it's got a horrible 
reputation. According to An appraisal of Magical Education in Europe, 
it puts a lot of emphasis on the Dark Arts.

Pg 167/Ch 11/ "But I think Durmstrang must be somewhere in the far 
north," said Hermione thoughtfully.

Pg 417/ch 23/ "Vell, ve have a castle also, not as big as this....the
fires are lit only for magical purposes...though in vinter, ve have 
very little daylight...But in the summer ve are flying every day, 
over the lakes and the mountains...

Durmstrang students:

GoF/Pg 249/ch 16/ Viktor Krum and his fellow Durmstrang students had
settled themselves at the Slytherin table.

Dark Arts:
Snape and his interest in the Dark Arts:
GoF/pg 531/ch 27/ Snape's always been fascinated by the Dark Arts, he 
was famous for it at school.

OoP/Pg 670/Ch 29/ And Snape was just the little oddball who was up to 
his eyes in the Dark Arts...

Pg 363/Ch 17 "You applied first for the Defense Against the Dark Arts
post, I believe?"

Pg 364/Ch 17/ "and you have applied regularly for the Defense Against 
the Dark Arts post since you first joined the school, I believe?"

Krum goes to a school known for the Dark Arts and Snape has always 
been interested in the Dark Arts. There just seems to be some 
connection between Snape and Krum. 

Now for Harry and Krum:

FLYING:
GoF/Pg 109 Harry had never seen anyone fly like that; Krum hardly 
looked as though he was using a broomstick at all; he moved so easily 
through the air that he looked unsupported and weightless.

Pg 417/Ch 23/ But in summer ve are flying every day, over the lakes 
and the mountains...

Harry also has an uncanny flying ability.

PS/151/US McGonagall: "The boy's a natural. I've never seen anything
like it.

GoF/354/Ch 20/ "Great Scott, he can fly! yelled Bagman as the crowd
shrieked and gasped. "Are you watching this Mr. Krum?"

Pg 553/Ch 28/ Krum, "You fly very vell. I vos votching at the first 
task."

Well, I just think there's more to Krum and the area he is from. I'm 
anxious to see him again. 

"K"