Umbridge a DE? (Was Re: Trelawney a future Voldemort Target?)

[linda_mccabe]

No: HPFGUIDX 87525

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "meriaugust" <meriaugust at y...> 
wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "linda_mccabe" 
<lmccabe at s...> 
> wrote:
> 
> > There's always the method Voldemort employed in extracting 
> > information from the memory-charmed Bertha Jorkins:  torture.  
I'm 
> > sure that he'd be able to get the information from her if he put 
> his 
> > considerable talents to bear on it.  And that is why I think 
that 
> > Dumbledore made sure that she stayed safely within the confines 
of 
> > Hogwarts and why Umbridge was instructed to try and get her 
> removed 
> > from her position.  You know, besides Trelawney being a right 
old 
> > fraud and all. 
> > 
> > Athena
> 
> Meri here:
> You think Umbridge was a front for LV at Hogwarts and was there 
> searchiing for info on the prophecy? Interesting....Any good 
> cannonical evidence to back that one up? I always took Sirius' 
> statement (that the world is not divided up between good people 
and 
> death eaters) to be reinforcement of the fact that Umbridge is a 
bad 
> person, but not a DE. I have heard about the theories where Fudge 
> has been Imperioused by Lucius Mafoy, but this is a new one for 
me. 
> Meri

Athena:

ACT-chually, I think that Umbridge is merely a toady and is just as 
eager to please as Percy is.  I think she is vile and venomous, but 
I don't think she's actually a Death Eater and I doubt she is on 
Voldemort's payroll.  I think Fudge is someone who sold his soul a 
long time ago to Voldemort.  I doubt there's the black mark on his 
arm, but his soul has been bought and paid for with advancement in 
the Ministry above his competence level.

I also think that Lucius Malfoy may have helped to further Fudge's 
candidacy knowing that he'd have someone who would be in a position 
to be "amenable" to hearing his supplications.  Because of course, 
Malfoy would have blackmail material on exactly why Fudge got where 
he is.

Therefore, I think that Voldemort is issuing orders via Malfoy to 
Fudge who then dispatches his toady Umbridge to do whatever it is 
that is necessary with no questions asked.  Hence the terminology 
that Umbridge was instructed to try and get Trelawney removed.

I've also been looking for the passage in OotP where Harry tells Ron 
that he recognizes the emotions that Voldy felt.  It's one of those 
things that I just can't seem to put my finger on in that huge tome, 
but I know it was there.  Because when I read it through the second 
time with that in mind I realized that Voldemort knew prior to Harry 
about certain things.  Like the night that Harry was in detention 
and felt that huge surge of evil course through him when Umbridge 
touched him.  The next day Percy wrote a letter saying to watch out 
for The Daily Prophet where he would be quoted and it announced 
Umbridge as being High Inquisitor.  To me that signals that 
Voldemort found out that his plan to be able to wreck Hogwarts from 
within was going right on schedule.

He of course would be informed before it would be made public.

There were a couple of other instances that Voldy seemed to find out 
things either after (like the hearing) or before an event being made 
public that seemed to indicate when he was made aware of news events 
as they pertained either to Harry or Hogwarts.

As for the Blundering Dunderhead theory, nahhh.  I much prefer Fudge 
having signed some Faustian agreement for advancement and being 
unable to do anything to change that fact later on.  The BD theory 
just seems to whimper to me and not bang.

BTW, has anyone wondered about all the reams of paper that Harry 
signed in his own blood that Umbridge has?  We know that human hair 
can be used in Polyjuice Potion and that blood can be used for other 
potions or spells.  I would think that dried blood would also have 
magical properties and I am loath to think of what could happen to 
Harry should she have turned those papers into Fudge.

And since Harry didn't mention his torture to Dumbledore or 
McGonagall possibly in trying to protect them from Umbridge's wrath, 
he may just have left himself open for really vile black magic being 
performed against him.  Because he "voluntarily" wrote in his own 
blood.

Athena