Whoa Nelly! Lots of Snape, was Harry in NEWT Potions Class?

clio44a clio44a at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 30 20:21:17 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 87793

After watching this nice Snape debate for a while now (nice, because 
not everyone agrees), I would like to get in a thought or two:

Regarding Sirius death:

Some folks say Snape shares a lot of guilt for Sirius death, because 
he stopped the Occlumeny lessons, and that he was going against 
Dumbledore's direct orders here. 

for example Alla writes in an response to Amanda:
>But and here 
> comes my disagreement - supposedly before Dumbledore asked Snape to 
> teach Harry Occlumency, he (on his own or together with Snape) went 
> through all these reasons and decided that it is more important to 
> teach Harry and Snape has to risk his cover. Correct?
>So, it is even worse offense in my book for Snape deciding on his own
>to stop the lessons.


Now, do you honestely think that Dumbeldore didn't know about the end 
of the lessons? Snape may or may have not told him directely, that's 
up for debate. I think it would be in character for him to straight 
march up to Ddore and tell him of Harry breaking into his private 
memories.

What I find more interesting is, that Remus, after Harry tells him 
and Sirius about what he has seen in Snape's pensieve, says that he 
will talk about the occlumency lessons with Snape. (OooP, p592 Brit. 
ed.)And Remus even urges Harry to go back to Snape himself. (Well, we 
know Harry never did that.) 
Remus also tells Harry that nothing is more important than the 
occlumency lessons. And he indicates that Dumbledore will be angry 
when he hears about the end of it. 

Now I wonder: If that is all so important, did Remus never go to talk 
to Snape? Or if Snape refused to continue, did neither Sirius nor 
Remus inform Ddore of this? Hard to believe. 

There are 2 possibilites: None of the three adults (Snape, Remus and 
Sirius)informed Ddore about the end of the oh so important lessons. 
- that would mean Sirius neglected his duties as a godfather, Remus 
didn't care enough for Harry and Snape was untruthful to his 
employer. 

Or Ddore knew one way or the other about the end of the lessons and 
choose to to nothing about it. 
- He could have thaught Harry himself, or he could have found Harry 
another teacher, or he could have forced Harry and Snape to continue. 
We don't know if Snape and Ddore had a serius talk together, but we 
know that Ddore made absolutely no move to talk to Harry about what 
happened in Snape's office. 

So it boils down to this: either Ddore agreed about the end of the 
occlumency lessons, or Sirius is a lousy godfather.



Regarding what Harry sees in Snape's pensieve: 

vmonte writes (in what has become a subthread of this):
>There are several times in his memory that Snape
>has recorded events that he could not possibly have seen. Several
>times he is transfixed with what he is reading yet his memory has
>recorded other conversations and events outside his field of vision
>and hearing. Snape even sees what is happening around him when he is
>hanging upside down with his clothes over his head. Why is this?
>Are these memories completely true, or are they slightly altered--for
>Harry's viewing pleasure? I'm not sure.

I have always thought that it is the point of a pensieve to look at 
memories from all sides, from different POVs, not only your own 
limited view when the memory took place. Remember how Harry looked 
around when he fell into Ddore's memories of the DE trials? If he 
could see Ddore's and Ddore's view only, he wouldn't have been able 
too look in the face of Ddore, right?
So, I don't think the memories in Snape's pensieve are altered.  

Clio






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