Let's hear it for good old Snapey!

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 87821

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" <talisman22457 at y...> 
wrote:
> 

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Talisman" <talisman22457 at y...> 
wrote:

> And by the way, Snape did exactly what he was supposed to do
vis-à-
> vis the Occlumency lessons.  From #80164:
> 
> "You can see for yourself as the plot unfolds, and JKR brings to 
your
> attention repeatedly, that Harry's communication with LV
> significantly increases after his Occlumency lessons begin, and both
> he and others see this as a result of those lessons. (See. e.g.
> 542, 553-554.)
> 
> Moreover, Harry's Dept. of Mysteries vision has stalled out, he 
can't
> make progress in it--until he has some break-through sessions
> DURING Occlumency lessons.(537,593)
> 
> Dumbledore, himself , reveals that the Occlumency lessons were 
> enabling LV to access Harry's mind: " . . .nothing could have been 
> more dangerous than to OPEN YOU MIND FURTHER to Voldemort while in 
my
> presence." (833, my emphasis)


Let's pretend for a second that I am very slow, shall we? Could you 
clarify for me what did your statement  "Snape did exacly what he was 
supposed to during Occlumency lessons" meant?

Are you saying that the real, hidden purpose of the Oclumency lessons 
was to open Harry's mind to Voldy ?

 
> Snape fans have seen through the "bad-cop" act before, but the 
> 
> 
> And, Rowling's education in the Classics is not wasted.  The image 
> of two-faced Janus, the god of beginnings and endings, is invoked 
to 
> preside over this series. We began with the revelation of a two-
> faced Janus, QuirrellMort, and we will end that way, as well.  
> 
> Quirrell saw us in, but-- my condolences to Quirrell fans--he is 
not 
> coming back.  It will be Snape who sees us out in Book 7.
> 
> Snape's status as Spy, revealed in book 4, is only a part of his 
> secret life. See JKR's interview in The Connection, 12 October 1999:
> "there is more to him than meets the eye and you will find out 
> *part* of what I am talking about if you read Book 4." (my emphasis)
> 
> Rowling has repeatedly pointed out that Snape is named after a 
> village.  Via The Lexicon, we know that "The village of Snape . . . 
> is located around the long and narrow village green and is evenly 
> split by Snape Beck." 
> 
> That is to say, the entire village is "evenly split" by a stream, 
so 
> that residents refer to the "front" and "back" of the village, 
> respectively.
> 
> So appropriate for Snape, the back of whom has yet to be revealed.  
> 
> Just as stuttering Quirrell presented a facade that was 180 degrees 
> in opposition to the ruthless Lord Voldemort, the side of Snape we 
> have not yet fully glimpsed will belie the petty cruelties so many 
> readers hold against him. 
> 
> In fact, we will find that, just as when he refereed the Quidditch 
> match (SS 289), Snape has been willing to endure readers' scorn, 
> throughout the series, to accomplish more important ends.
> 
> Talisman, returning to her mumbling pal.  What's that you say? 
> Mundus vult decipi, et decipiatur?  No doubt, old thing, no doubt.
> 
> Back to #78215, I noted that: `
 as to the business about Snape
not 
> being unable to control his emotions where James/Harry are 
> concerned:  "Only those skilled at Occlumency are able to SHUT DOWN 
> those FEELINGS and memories that contradict the lie, and so utter 
> falsehoods in his [LV's] presence without detection. " (Snape, OoP 
> Snape is not driven by childish spite that muddles his reasoning.  
> The question is, having come as far as Book 5, when are the Snape-
> haters going to get past THEIR emotional baggage and see what's 
> really going on?
>

Umm, I advise you to reread Pip's post, whom I can doubt you can call 
a Snape's hater and tell me whether you really believe that Snape 
controlled his emotions in the Pensive scene.
I am not denying that Snape did some many good things for Harry, but 
if you can call "Harry being almost killed while possessed by Voldy 
and being  denied  the only father figure he ever knew thanks for 
Snape stopping the lessons" world of good, then you are blinded by 
your unconditional love for this character and it is your right. 
But kindly, very kindly I ask you - spare me this "emotional baggage" 
crap.


> Snape is SO leading a double life. He has to maintain his acts for 
> many reasons and many people, including, but not limited to: 
> Voldemort, Fudge, Malfoy, Sirius, and Harry.  
> 
> As the sphinx tells us in GoF:
> "First think of the person who lives in disguise / Who deals in 
> secrets and tells naught but lies" (629)
> 
> Subterfuge is Snape's essence.  



It is sooo understandable.


Alla