"innocence" of Sirius Black and Voldemort and Slytherin and Squib vs Muggle

innermurk <innermurk@catlover.com> innermurk at catlover.com
Sat Feb 1 23:02:23 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 51406

Hi
I wanted to respond to a couple of posts. (I'm behind so forgive me 
if I repeat something that's already been brought up).

"webba28 <jrwajw at g...>" <jrwajw at g...> wrote:
> Things that appear mundane to us at first become crystal clear 
later 
> on, which leads me to ponder this quote by professor Trelawney in 
> PoA: 
> 
> 
> 
> quote:
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> The Dark Lord lies alone and friendless, abandoned by his 
followers. 
> His servant has been chained these twelve years. Tonight before 
> midnight...will break free and set out to rejoin his master...
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> 
> 
> 
> Does it seem odd to anyone else that the word "chained" is written 
> here? Wormtail was never chained in the truest sense of the word. 
> In other words, two people "chained"--one literally and one not 
broke 
> free. 

Me:
There is another servant of Lord Voldemort that WAS chained 
though....Bartemius Crouch Jr. He was chained to his father's will 
through the imperious curse.
Maybe, he broke through the curse that night, and then was able to 
overcome his father. Then when Wormtail and Voldemort showed up, he 
was able to rejoin his master.....
That doesn't exactly expalin the set out to rejoin his master part, 
but maybe she was talking about BOTH Wormtail and Crouch.
Just a theory and a different perspective.

Now on to another topic:
Voldemort and Slytherin.
Maybe Slytherin's descendants went and founded a different school 
where their views would be taught......Durmstrang. Or a different 
one. And that would explain why they weren't watched or worried 
about, because they didn't even attend Hogwarts.
So, when Tom's mother gave birth, she might've been in England 
(possibly trying to find her husband?) And that's why his name was 
recorded in the Hogwarts book. He was raised in England and when he 
turned 11 he got his letter. Dumbledore might've been the only one 
who realized that he WAS an descendant of Slytherin, because he seems 
to stay well informed. Everyone else might not have worried about 
them thinking they were gone. Sure the Chamber legend would interest 
them, and they'd probably look for it. Whether or not they believed 
the legend wouldn't matter, because the Slytherin's (descendants) 
were all gone anyway so there wasn't any danger right?
I imagine when Tom found out he was a wizard it was probably a pretty 
good shock for him. The following is my theory as I was pondering how 
someone could turn so bad.
I theorize (supported by no cannon, just a gut feeling) that he had a 
very bad childhood in the orphanage...probably suffered abuse 
(another thing he felt he had in common with Harry, though I imagine 
his was MUCH worse than Harrys). Can you imagine a little 11 year old 
finding out he has the powers (or can learn them) to torment his 
tormentors? It's not surprising he was a good student. His means for 
revenge were finally within his grasp. He probably learned all he 
could. And he had the natural advantage of being cunning (a trait of 
Slytherin) to help him. 
Dumbledore tells us he was very talented and clever. So, he was doing 
a good job at his lessons, (knowing how Hermione goes to extremes 
with her lessons and assuming he was at least as ardent a student as 
she) it would've been easy for him to look up his geneaology and find 
out about his ancestors. It wouldn't even have been neccessary for 
his mother to have written any sort of letter (which I don't see her 
doing as she died having only had time to name him) explaining 
anything, after all Hermione tells us the whole story of the Chamber 
is in Hogwars a History. After he learned enough magic to be able to 
force or charm people into cooperating with him, it wouldn't have 
been hard for him to find out his Muggle history from the orphanage 
either.
I expect that his revenge got carried away with him, and when he 
found out about Salazar Slytherin, it's not too farfetched to think 
he would adopt his views and morals....after all they were probably 
not too far from his own. (knowing that he hated muggles because of 
his dad and the orphanage)
After that, he just got sucked into the dark arts until he was too 
far to turn back, even if he'd wanted to. 
Which brings up an excellant question: Does he know he's doing 
something very wrong, and that's why he's afraid of dying? All 
religious implications aside, he must know he'd be portrayed as a 
villan and the one in the wrong after he was gone. This after a 
lifetime of suffering and (his pov I imagine) he was only trying to 
even the score, and the muggles all deserved it anyway. He probably 
wants to stay alive to protect his reputation if nothing else. Just a 
theory.


And another topic (the last one I promise):
Squib vs Muggle
This is being debated and I only wanted to point out another view. 
What if there is NOTHING genetic about being a wizard? It could be 
just an extraordinary talent. Talents are often used to define a 
person, and saying I'm a wizard could be just like saying I'm an 
artist, or I'm a writer, or I'm a singer. (Yes, yes, I know they're 
careers too, but so is being a wizard or a witch right?)
Just a thought, and I'm not totally adverse to the genetic theory, I 
just thought I'd throw another theory out there.






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