What's annoying about Harry (WAS: Characters you hate)

[Tom Wall <thomasmwall@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 51423


Grey Wolf & Melody wrote:
You know, I still haven't seen your explanation of how, exactly, 
would Harry telling Dumbledore about the voice would help - I've 
given you my arguments, but have yet to see yours. But if you want to 
disagree, it's OK with me.

I reply:
Wouldn't that be patently obvious? *IF* Harry had been forthcoming 
about what he knew, I think that the fact that he's a Parselmouth 
would have been very useful in locating the Basilisk, in tracking its 
movements, and in possibly preventing some of the attacks. I can back 
this up by saying that Harry is able to find the victims by following 
the voice of the basilisk. With some powerful wizard backup and a 
little more preparation and communication, it is not unthinkable that 
they could have found the creature. The fact that Harry kept his 
hearing of the basilisk secret allowed the creature to go on killing, 
and left the staff in no position to do anything about it.


Grey Wolf & Melody wrote:
It's interesting that you, that don't even support with arguments 
your argument of Harry telling Dumbledore about the voice are telling 
me that I need to find a line where Dumbledore says "I knew it was a 
basilisk all along" to accept my point. 

I reply:
Oh, I respectfully disagree. I've used canon three times to support 
my position, and you haven't used it once.

Refer to my post full of questions on canon, but aren't theories 
supposed to be justified or rooted in canon, or else you're supposed 
to speak from the "I?" You don't acknowledge that your assertion of 
Dumbledore knowing a basilisk is in the chamber of secrets is a 
theory until *this* post. The rest of the time you write as though 
it's fact. Which is why I asked for canon support.


Grey Wolf & Melody wrote:
Oh, and in case you are not yet convinced, I've got a little more 
circunstantial evidence - how did Dumbledore know that Harry was 
going to need Fawkes and the sword if he didn't know that it was a 
basilisk? In the other books, it is him or Snape that come to the 
rescue (i.e. humans), but in this case he sends a bird that *just 
happens* to be immune to the basilisk's gaze, peck out eyes and can 
cure its venom. It certainly looks as if Dumbledore knew something, 
didn't he?

I reply:
Sorry, going to ask for canon again. If you don't have it, please 
just say so this time. 

Where do we find out that Fawkes is immune to the Basilisk's stare? 
(This is the question I care most about, incidentally.)

How do you know that Dumbledore sent Fawkes? How do you know that 
Dumbledore gave Fawkes the hat? How do you know that Dumbledore put 
the sword in the hat?

We know that Harry called Fawkes to him. "Nothing but that could have 
called Fawkes to you." (CoS 332)

We do not know that Dumbledore sent Fawkes, we do not know that 
Dumbledore gave Fawkes the hat, or that Dumbledore sent the sword. We 
assume.

-Tom