Time-Turner

[kateydidnt2002 <kateydidnt2002@yahoo.com>]

No: HPFGUIDX 52234

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Enchanted wrote:

> The buckbeak thing causes confusion though, because of the timing. 
> So did Buckbeak die, or not? They leave Hagrid's hut and later 
> Dumbledore tells them they can save 2 innocent lives that day. 
Well, 
> by that time Buckbeak had been dead for hours, so by going back in 
> time did they bring Buckbeak back? Some will argue that Buckbeak 
> never died because Harry and Hermione saved him, but how is that 
> possible when they did not know to do this until later in the day?<<

Well I am working under the assumption that Buckbeak did not die.  
Dumbledore knows they can save two innocent lives, meaning, I think, 
that he already know about Buckbeak's escape. The "unmistakable 
swish" and thump of the ax and a yell that the trio hears as they 
leave Hagrid's across the grounds under the Invisibility Cloak is 
described later after Harry and Hermione have already used the time 
turner and have Buckbeak with them, it is simply the executioner 
swinging the ax into the stump in frustration and the general babble 
that results. 
Buckbeak never died because Harry and Hermione saved him is a valid 
answer. It is possible *because* of the paradox of time travel. There 
is more support for this if you look back at PoA. When the trio are 
waiting for the great hall and entrance to be empty under the 
invisibility cloak in order to sneak out to see hagrid they hear 
hurried footsteps and a slamming door; we find out later that this 
was Harry and HErmione right after they had used the time turner and 
they run into a closet in order to *not* see themselves.  Then, of 
course, the biggest proof of the Buckbeak alive thing is the fact 
that Harry saw *himself* cast the Patronus, however it was himself 
already after using the time turner, so if your assumption that the 
Buckbeak thing being impossible (your "but how is that 
possible when they did not know to do this until later in the day" 
statement) is correct, then Harry would have recieved the dementors 
kiss (probably as well as Sirius and maybe even Hermione) and we 
would have had a *very* different story. 

Because it had already happened in the past, it *had* to happen in 
the future-the same way. Does that make sense? It does to me. Ahhh, 
the joys of the paradoxes of time travel!
Kateydidnt