[HPforGrownups] Re: Time-Turner

[Maria Kirilenko]

No: HPFGUIDX 52255


Giselle:
buckbeak really did not die. the thing is even though h/h didn't use the time turner until that evening, according to space/time continuum theories they were already behind hagrid's cabin. let me break it down. in the afternoon h/h/r were inside and heard the thump of the axe but didn't witness the death. that is beacaus there already was a H/H outside. the cycle would just keep going until it caught up with itself the next day. it's a long shot using quantum physics  but it's a theory on how the time turner would work. 

Me:

I don't get one thing about the Time-turner, and this particular thing makes me mad that the whole Time-turner thing exists. (I'm going to take a rather long time arriving at my question, just so you know - it's in the end of the post <g>).

Major Time-turning rule:

***  Nothing must be changed  ***

Yet Harry and Hermione, while not *changing* anything, affect events. They free Buckbeak, Harry saves himself from the dementors. 

Why didn't Buckbeak die? Because H/Hr saved him. 

But they do not break the Rule! Hermione is adamant about following the Rule! This *must* mean that Buckbeak never died in the first place - otherwise it would be changing events. Moreover, the "first place" doesn't actually exist on its own, because the use of the Time-turner does not create a parallel universe, or another timeframe - it creates another copy of the person using the TT, who it then magically placed at the beginning on the time interval in question.

This time interval isn't repeated twice, which is why we can't have Buckbeak dying, as he is actually saved. The non-repetition concept is largely supported by Harry2 casting a Patronus, while Harry1 is able to see him. 

So, what would have happened if Harry and Hermione hadn't used the TT in the hospital wing? I'm guessing that the moment Dumbledore saw that Buckbeak was missing, (just before his execution) he realized that in the future, a TT was (will be?) used, so he made Hermione use hers later that day. But what if he had a concussion or something, or was called away to the MoM and simply wasn't able to tell Hermione about it? *What would have happened?*

And this is where we are getting to my problem. The way the TT works suggests that its use is predestined, from which it's probably safe to draw another conclusion: *everything* is predestined.

That seems to contradict everything we've seen in the books so far. Always in motion is the future... oops, that's Star Wars, but that is pretty much what McGonagall says to Harry in PoA, IIRC. Dumbledore says that it is our choices that are important in the long run, which seems to imply that people actually do have choices, and are not *meant* to do anything.

How can the TT be reconciled with this major theme in the books?

Maria,

whose right arm is cramped from using the mouse.



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