House theories/Neville

[Scott Northrup]

No: HPFGUIDX 49383

Sherry Wrote:

>For those who are interested in personality and temperament sorting, I 
>found a cool site that equates the four Houses to the Keirsey 
>temperaments.  There is quite a bit of discussion elsewhere on the 
>site of the four temperaments as they apply to the various roles 
>people fill throughout their lives, such as child, spouse, parent, 
>teacher, etc.
>http://keirsey.com/sortinghat.html

Me:


Hi, I was hoping someone would bring this up, I had been reading the past posts about Houses and myers-briggs typology, but wasn't ambitious enough to make an original post on it.

Anyway.  I've seen the above site before; superficially, it makes sense superficially, but I'd point out that from what we've seen from various characters in Gryffindor, houses are not really related to a specific typology or keirsey temperment (I'll mention in brief that the four Keirsey Temperments are Rationals-NT- iNtuitive Thinking [roughly 6% of the population], Idealists-NF-iNtuitive Feeling [about 14% of the population], Artisans-SP-Sensing Perceiving [40% of the population], and Guardians-SJ-Sensing Judging [40% of the population]).  I've been somewhat interested in jung/myers-briggs typology for a while now (since learning that Einstein was also an INTP- I don't claim to be anywhere near him in intelligence, but I've also considered him something of a historical role model, for a long time), and I'd like to think that I have a grasp of jung typology (I don't claim to have any qualifications outside of a fairly deep interest, I'm actually a math major), and it would seem to me that there is a definite variance among the personality types within the Gryffindor house.  

Looking at characters who are in,  or have been in Gryffindor:

Hermione: DEFINITELY an INTJ.. Read a specific summary of INTJ's, I think you'll find that it hits the mark dead on. (There's even a rationalization for SPEW)

McGonagall: fairly certain she's another INTJ, (there is the slight possiblity she's an ISTJ, but I wouldn't bet on it.  Also, I don't know for sure that she was in Gryffindor, I don't think there's any specific proof of this, so I'm making an educated guess).

Dumbledore: Guessing INTJ- a lot in part to his similarities to Gandalf the Grey (who is actually cited as a classic INTJ, by people much more qualified than myself), though there are other reasons.

Harry: I think Harry is an INTP... I'm not really certain (despite the book being written from his perspective), but I think he's a Rational, almost certainly Introverted, and probably Percieving.  Also, I find that I definitely relate to Harry, and can draw some parallels between him and myself, spefically about how he views other people and the world.  (I am DEFINITELY an INTP, so I know that much)

Parvati Patil & Lavender Brown: Probably Idealists (NFs), based on their interest in Divination (I've been told that virtually anyone who believes in Psychics are probably Idealists).  This is really only a vague guess on my part.

Ron: I'm actually not sure; my best guess would be ESTP.

Fred/George: ESFP

Arthur Weasley: pretty sure Mr. Weasley is an ENTP.

Oliver Wood: probably an ESTP.

Neville: probably an SJ, and almost certainly introverted.  Whether he's thinking of Feeling, I have no idea.  (I'd like to note that I hold with the theory that something has messed up Neville's memory and general personality.  I believe that when he was sorted into Gryffindor, it was based on his potential, and what he COULD be, not what he is like right now.

Okay, based on this wide divergence of personalities within the Gryffindor house, I would argue that keirsey temperment has little to do with sorting (though maybe it's important for other houses, specifically Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. I believe that the defining characteristic of Gryffindors, courage, has little to do with personality type; you can be any one of the 16 personality types and still be brave.  Same with Slytherin- you can be any personality type and still be evil.).

Anyway, if you've read this far, thanks for sticking with me, and sorry to bore you.  If anyone has more expertise in this area than me, of which I'm certain there are many who fit this criteria, feel free to correct me.  I make no claims on being an expert on this subject. 

If anyone wants to look over the 16 personality types and take a stab at this, http://www.typelogic.com/ is an excellent source of information.

-Scott


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