TwinsWeakLink/Crouch/Meg/Hypocrisy/KeirseySort/NamedDEs/SnapeCronies/FireBrig

[Catlady (Rita Prince Winston) <catlady@wicca.net>]

No: HPFGUIDX 49669

Jo Serenadust wrote:

<< I'm having trouble remembering where JKR tried to make us think 
that the Twins might turn anyone in for the reward money. >>

GoF, chapter "The Dream", page 493 of first UK hardcover ... when the 
Trio encounter the Twins in the Owlery and overhear something about 
"blackmail":

"No," said Harry. "If it was something that serious, they'd tell 
someone. They'd tell Dumbledore." Ron, however, was looking 
uncomfortable.... "Well ... I dunno if they would. They're ... 
They're obsessed with making money lately. I noticed it when I was 
hanging around with them. ... It's that joke-shop idea they've got 
... they need gold to get it started."  

Jim Ferer wrote:

<< Do you remember how Crouch jumped to conclusions that three 
teenagers (H/R/H)had cast the Dark Mark at the Quidditch World 
Cup? >>

But, as Elkins has eloquently pointed out, at the very moment 
that he was accusing the three teenagers, he KNEW that Barty Jr 
had gotten loose and had means, motive, and opportunity -- he was 
urgently trying to distract anyone else from finding out.

Meg wrote:

<< (who has her one year list anniversary this week and who just 
started her second semester of medical school, both really cool 
items of note.) >>

Congratulations!

Eileen wrote:

<< I find hypocricy a lot more attractive, a lot more human than 
honest evil >>

My late mother used to quote (I don't know from whom): "Hypocrisy is 
the tribute which vice pays to virtue."

Scott wrote:

<< I would argue that keirsey temperment has little to do with 
Sorting >>

I absolutely agree! Around 15 years ago, my friends and I were all 
discussing some popular book about Jungian types (I have the feeling 
that it may have been "Please Understand Me") and there were two 
people at my job who both were absolutely exact matches of the book's 
description of ENFP - people who lived and breathed human interaction 
like fish breathe water, people to whom "networking" was an instinct, 
not a strategy -- and Roz was *totally* a Gryffindor -- fearless, 
she'd read the riot act to even the highest executive who made a 
racist or sexist remark... and even tho' I liked Terry well enough, 
he was surely a Slytherin, with his little plans of how he could use 
some of the people he knew to annoy some other people he didn't like, 
and make a few bucks as well... 

Jazmyn wrote:

<< after naming only the most prominent DEs, his 'officers', the rest 
being too low ranked to confront? Could have been others there who 
were just his 'canon fodder', unworthy of notice and not mentioned by 
name? >>

"He walked on. Some of the Death Eaters he passed in silence, but he 
paused before others and spoke to them." I strongly doubt that the 
reason he passed them in silence was their low rank: after all, he 
spoke to Crabbe Senior and Goyle Senior. We have Fudge's word, in 
hospital wing, "You are merely repeating the names of those who were 
aquitted of being Death Eaters thirteen years ago!" So it seems 
Voldemort was speaking the names only of the ones who had already 
been outed, and silence to shield the ones who were still secret. I 
don't like MAGIC DISHWASHER but I must admit that that agrees with 
their idea that Voldemort wasn't *really* trying to kill Harry in 
that scene, but rather to use him to pass information to Dumbledore: 
true information that Voldemort had a new body and false information 
that will screw up Dumbledore's anti-Voldemort strategies.

Tzvi of Brooklyn wrote:

<< I like Snape. I feel his pain. I doubt he was some snob like 
Malfoy was, he never had cronies either (or not that we know of). >>

I like Snape and think he's a snob only about intelligence, not 
pedigree, but he *did* have cronies at Hogwarts. "...he was part of 
a gang of Slytherins who nearly all turned out to be Death Eaters." 
Wilkes and Rosier who were killed by Aurors, the Lestranges who are 
in Azkaban, and Avery who got Crucio'ed in the graveyard scene. 

Jim Ferer wrote:

<< if the house at Godric's Hollow was destroyed, why didn't it 
attract the attention of the Muggle fire brigades? >>

It did. First chapter of Book 1, Dumbledore asks: "No problems, were 
there?" and Hagrid replies: "No, sir -- house was almost destroyed, 
but I got him out all right before the Muggles started swarmin' 
around. He fell asleep as we was flyin' over Bristol." That would 
have been the Fire Brigade "swarmin' around".