[HPforGrownups] Re: Ron and the Trouble with Veela

[Star Opal]

No: HPFGUIDX 50646

Torsten
>No, no, no. Harry made a comment about Fleur using her Veela powers on 
>Cedric - but
>that was just Harry talking to comfort his friend. There is NO indication 
>at all in canon
>that Fleur has such powers! She is very beautiful, that's it, nothing more.

But then why make her part veela at all? Why not just keep her a beautiful, 
capable (she is a champion) witch with a French accent? I'm not saying that 
her having Veela abilities would detract from her at all.

"'An 'air from ze 'ead of a veela,' said Fleur. 'One of my grandmuzzer's.'
So Fleur *was* part Veela, thought Harry..."  GoF ch 18 pg 308

Why point it out like that? Why, until we find out her name and before that 
she really is part veela, call her 'the girl who looked like a veela' or 
'the veela girl' (just had a creepy Peanuts Red Headed Girl moment ^_^ )?

As far as canon goes, no, there is no part that smacks us over the head and 
says out right she does have veela powers. More like hints at it:

"Ron went purple. He stared up at her, opened his mouth to reply, but 
nothing came out except a faint gurgling noise.
<SNIP>
The girl picked up the dish and carried it carefully off to the Ravenclaw 
table. Ron was still goggling at the girl as though he had never seen one 
before. Harry started to laugh. The sound seemed to jog Ron back to his 
senses.
'She's a *veela*!' He said hoarsely to Harry.
'Of coarse she isn't!' said Hermione tartly. 'I don't see anyone else gaping 
at her like an idiot!'
But she wasn't entirely right about that. As the girl crossed the Hall, many 
boys' heads turned, and some of them seemed to have become temporarily 
speechless, just like Ron."  - GoF ch 16 pg 252

Torsten:
>It's not as if it takes Veela powers on her part to make Ron act without 
>thinking and
>talk without a moment's consideration on what he is to do - he acts like 
>that all the
>time. See the countless SHIP-posts for details ...

But while Ron does tend to act or speak without thinking, its not things 
that are completely out of character for him. Like defending his family and 
friends against insults. BUT asking someone out on a date isn't something 
that Ron would normally do, much less in front of EVERYONE:

"Ron looked up at Harry, a sort of blind horror on his face.
'Why did I do it?' he said wildly. 'I don't know what made me do it!'
<SNIP>
'I don't know what made me do it!' Ron gasped again. 'What was I playing at? 
There were people - all around - I've gone mad - everyone watching! I was 
just walking past her in the entrance hall - she was standing there talking 
to Diggory - and it sort of came over me - and I asked her!'
Ron moaned and put his face in his hands. He kept talking, though the words 
were indistinguishable.
'She looked at me like I was a sea slug or something. Didn't even answer. 
And then - I dunno - I just sort of came to my senses and ran for it.'
'She's part veela,' said Harry. 'You were right - her grandmother was one. 
It wasn't your fault, I bet you just walked past when she was turning on the 
old charm for Diggory and got a blast of it...'"  GoF ch 22 pg 398-399

Sounds like a spell to me. "I don't know what made me do it!" "... it sort 
of came over me..." "I just sort of came to my senses.."

So why isn't Harry (and ALL the male students of Hogwarts) effected? Because 
she's only PART veela. So someone like Ron who isn't as strong as Harry 
against spells would still be susceptible. As you said, "See the countless 
SHIP-posts for details." Which would explain...

>Star Opal:
> >While it would seem it didn't effect Cedric (seeing he
> >still went with Cho), it was directed at him. (Gof, page 399)

Torsten:
>... but even IF she had these powers, they *might* well have affected 
>Cedric at this
>moment, with him changing his mind later. Ron and Harry stopped being 
>enthralled by
>the Veela at the world cup once they turned their power off. Plus, Cedric 
>might have
>had asked Cho already, and he's not the kind of boy who tells a girl he's 
>changed his
>mind and rather wants to go with someone else.

... why Cedric wouldn't be effected (out of the whole of Hogwarts 
applicants, he's chosen to be champion). Though, I'll concede, what you said 
is very possible too.

Star Opal
who has nothing against Fleur and is sorry if she gave that impression

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