[HPforGrownups] A theory of Lupin's transformation

[Maria Kirilenko]

No: HPFGUIDX 51039


 Maria (me) wrote:

> You know, I'm first to defend Lupin if anything :-), but I don't think your theory works, although it's very interesting. Snape *says* to Lupin in the Shrieking Shack that he'd forgotten to take his potion.
> 
> I think that "I made an entire cauldronful", Snape continued. "If you need more" can be explained thus:
> 
> Suppose Lupin accidentally knocks over the goblet with the potion - anything can happen. If Snape makes just enough potion for 7 gobletfuls, Lupin is in trouble. So Snape makes extra, and tells Lupin about it just in case.

Irene:

Is it established that Lupin takes the potion for a week before the full 
moon? And Lupin answers Snape: "I should probably take some again 
tomorrow". How can something about this potion be "probably"?
Just imagine how much more loaded (and hilarious, and on a whole new 
level above Harry's head) their dialogue was if this theory is somewhat 
correct. "If you need more" translates to "If you feel a sudden urge to 
kill me or Mr.Potter here".

Me again:

LOL! Snape would do that, wouldn't he?

And yet I am unmoved. We have to remember that they are talking in front of Harry. Lupin can't be as explicit as he would be if were talking to Snape in private. 

In the Shrieking Shack (oh I am *tired* of writing those words all the time <sigh>. Let it be SS) Lupin says: "As long as I take it in the week, preceding the full moon, I keep my mind when I transform..."


I wrote:
> But I don't think Lupin really needs that apology. *Everybody* in the Shrieking Shack
> behaved strangely. I never, ever thought that Harry would seriously contemplate *murdering*
> somebody, and I certainly never thought I'd see such irrational actions and words from Snape.
  >That whole scene was almost grotesque, really. I can just imagine - a 
greenish Ron with his leg
  >stuck out at a strange angle, trying to contain a bony balding rat 
that keeps squeaking and
  >biting,  Hermione just standing there, not knowing what to do,
  >Sirius Black-the-escaped-convict-with-an-Edmond-Dantes-look-about-him,

Irene:

If there is someone Sirius does not deserve to be compared to, that's 
Dantes actually. Dantes went about getting his revenge only after 
getting good rest and haircut. Oh, and other small things to make sure 
he actually succeeds. :-) (Meaning - I like the count and dislike 
Sirius, so please don't mix them in my poor head ;-)

Me:

I'm LOL again. Sirius wasn't as lucky as Dantes was. Dantes had several advantages over Sirius. One was that his picture wasn't printed in the paper everyday, and the other is that he happened across some people who gave him that much-needed haircut and shave. Oh, and he had money, too.

Like you, I seem to like the count more than I like Sirius, although I don't really know why. Monte-Cristo's methods of getting his revenge were truly horrifying.

Sushi, on a graver note, wrote:

1. Remus screwed up.  Remus really, really screwed up.  Unless he 
honestly believed that a conspiracy that had gone on for twelve years could 
be sorted in less than an hour, there's no way to forgive what could have 
been a much, much larger disaster.  Reliance on Sirius to hold him off 
can't be argued, as if the transformation had taken place in the Shack he 
might have ripped any of them to shreds before Sirius could transform.


Me:

You know, now that I'm rereading the SS scene for the umpteenth time, I must say that I concede. Remus really, really screwed up. There are *loads and loads* of times when they talk about the Potion and Lupin's transformations. I can't believe that *nothing* triggered Lupin's memory. Although it could be that his transformations occur only when the moon comes out from behind the clouds, or whatever, which I really, really doubt.

But I don't think your theory holds, either. :)

Maria



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