friendSHIP (was Re: SHIP: Re: Banter and other SHIP subjects)

[deecha]

No: HPFGUIDX 51098

heidi wrote:
<<Ron was mean to her and she went off for a long cry
- from the afternoon into the evening.>>

Me:
Well he wasn't mean *to* her - he didn't know that she
could hear him. I also thought she was crying because
she thought that *nobody* at school liked her, not
because of Ron himself:

"It's no wonder no one can stand her," he said to
Harry as they pushed their way into the crowded
corridor. "She's a nightmare, honestly."

heidi wrote:
<<Personally, I have a feeling that Hermione still
would've needed conversation different from the kind
she must've seen/heard with Lavender and Parvatti, and
might've struck up a conversation with Ron where she'd
ask to learn how to play wizards chess, no matter how
barbaric she thought it.>>

Me:
Why would she think it barbaric? She plays chess with
Ron several times throughout the books - once two
chapters after the "Halloween" chapter:

"Chess was the only thing Hermione ever lost at,
something Harry and Ron thought was very good for
her."

I can't find any reference to Hermione thinking that
chess is barbaric.

I also don't think it was *just* Harry who influenced
the friendship among the three of them. That's just
how it played out in the end. She probably found that
the two of them were the most interesting people in
her year and that's why she was always bossing them
around and talking to them before they rescued her
from the troll.

heidi:
<<And yes, I can see a friendship generating from
that, but I have a sense that were Harry not in the
picture, Hermione might've been closer friends with
Ginny in CoS (except that Voldemort would've returned
in mid-1992, so perhaps not so much).>>

Me:
But her friendship with Ginny exists probably because
she's her friend's sister. (I'm thinking of PoA and
GoF where she's with Ginny at the Leaky Cauldron, and
then at the Burrow and the Quidditch World Cup in
GoF.) I don't know that they would have been friends
without that connection. (I also don't think that
Voldemort would have come back, because he never would
have been able to get the stone out of the mirror.)

I don't care much about SHIPping, but the friendship
between these three is the most compelling aspect of
the books for me personally. I just can't agree that
Harry is solely responsible for their friendship, and
that Ron and Hermione had nothing to do with it.

deecha

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