House points and Dumbledore
Tom Wall <thomasmwall@yahoo.com>
thomasmwall at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 30 19:57:04 UTC 2003
No: HPFGUIDX 51145
GREY WOLF WROTE (re: a harp got the trio past Fluffy):
MEEEC! Movie contamination! The trio used the flute
that Harry got from Hagrid for Christmas to get past
Fluffy, because "he didn't feel like singing".
I REPLY: Touche.
GREY WOLF WROTE:
The trick wasn't knowing which key was the one,
but *catching* it. Harry only manages because he
is "the youngest seeker in a century". This is not
an obstacle of knowledge, but of ability -
I REPLY:
So, I suppose that we're to assume that Quirrell is
*more* agile and better on a broom than Harry? Harry,
after all, only had to catch the "limping" key, and
if we're to assume that Quirrell damaged it, then we
have to assume that he had to catch it in top form.
And if we don't assume that Quirrell damaged it, then
minimum he's equal to Harry on a broomstick. Doubtful.
If Quirrell could do it, then it must not have been as
hard as we think.
In fact, the more I think about this, are we to assume
that Quirrellmort is as strategic-minded as Ron, as
logical as Hermione, *and* as agile as Harry on a broom?
Even if he learned about Devil's Snare and Fluffy, you
can't *learn* the answer to chess or flying. Maybe the
logic puzzle, although I since that was Snape's protection,
I doubt that he'd've given Quirrell the answer.
GREY WOLF WROTE:
For all we know, McGonagall just borrowed the chess
pieces of a friend that hadn't trained them well.
I REPLY:
I'm not sure that I like that explanation, any more
than I like the notion that Ron is a chess player
capable of beating McGonagall. It lowers her stature, IMO,
if that's the case. McGonagall doesn't at all seem
like the type to choose anything but the best "trained"
chess pieces for such an important task as this.
GREY WOLF WROTE:
You also say that Voldemort wasn't so powerful - that
is not true. Quirrellmort was more than powerful enough
to finish off a 11 year old.
I REPLY:
We've heard nothing to suggest that the bodiless
Voldemort, or even the Voldemort on the back of
Quirrell's head, had any sort of power at all. In fact,
in GoF, Voldemort tells us he had no power but the
ability to inhabit others while he was disembodied.
And we know that the and the unicorn's blood is just
*barely* keeping him alive. Also, Quirrell says, when Voldemort
demands to see Harry.
"Master, you are not strong enough." (PS/SS 293)
So, the strong dark lord isn't strong enough to look
at Harry? But he's strong enough to kill 'im?
Sure, he *was* the most powerful dark lord in a
century. He was powerful BEFORE. Now he's just a
bodiless nothing (okay, he "sort-of" has a body.)
Isn't that the point? It is *not* true that
Quirrellmort could have finished off Harry -
obviously, he tried, and wasn't able.
GREY WOLF WROTE:
Ron received points for *willingly sacrifying
himself during the chess match*. That is what
makes it the most amazing chess game in the history
of Hogwarts.
I REPLY:
Unless we're working from different texts, that's not the case.
"...for the best-played game of chess Hogwarts has seen in many
years..." (PS/SS 305)
No mention of self-sacrifice there.
AMY Z WROTE:
I'm confused. If Slytherin's win for 7 years wasn't
a result of favoritism, why are Gryffindor's
subsequent wins the result of favoritism?
I REPLY:
We've got no canon to suggest *why* Slytherin won
seven years running. All we know is that they did.
And it seems to me extremely unlikely that favoritism
can extend for seven years to the same house. As I said,
for a few, okay, I can buy it. Seven? No way.
However, there is a compelling case to be made for
Gryffindor's sudden reversal of fortune upon Harry's
arrival, ie favoritism ala Dumbledore. Which is what
we're debating now.
AMY Z WROTE:
Harry has definitely turned his House's luck around,
but that's to do with little things like being a great
Seeker, saving the Stone, and rescuing Ginny from the
Chamber of Secrets.
I REPLY:
Oh, please don't get me going on the Chamber of Secrets.
Harry did less in there than with Quirrellmort. Okay. So
he was *loyal.* Fawkes did all the real work. Harry just
used the sword and stabbed a book. And Harry would have
died if Fawkes hadn't stuck around to heal him with his
tears.
I WRITE, RE: HERMIONE'S TASK:
I did forget that. Pardons. But honestly, were any
of you seriously unable to solve that puzzle? I
tried, myself, and was done pretty quickly. Pretty
clear cut, if you ask me.
Incidentally, does anyone have any theories as to how
the challenges all reset themselves? Ie the small potion
bottle, the damaged chess set at checkmate?
-Tom
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