Who told James about the Prank? WAS: Re: Harry HAS Two Parents

[Eileen]

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Pip wrote:
> I don't know whether or not James had the sense to
> react to putting 
> a person's life in direct danger. I do know that
> James's best friend 
> didn't have the sense to *not* put a person's life
> in direct danger. 
> Further, nearly twenty years later he's still
> insisting that Snape 
> deserved to become a moonlight snack. 

Pip, I just *loved* your polemic. Certain parts have
had me giggling at odd times since reading it. 

>The only
> different things 
> appears to be that a)there are no other marauders
> around to stop 
> Lupin and b) James has learnt about this from
> someone other than 
> Sirius. I'm presenting you with a theory that it is
> b), not a) that 
> was important, and the 'someone' was Lily.

Now, that's an interesting take. I guess my first
question would be where she learnt this information.
If Sirius didn't tell James, would he tell Lily? Or
did she observe something that tipped her off? 
  
My second question would be what that does with the
parallelism between Harry saving Peter's life in the
Shrieking Shack and James saving Snape's life in the
Shrieking Shack. Dumbledore tells Harry that he's
acting as his father would have acted, and I think
it's strongly implied that this is connected with
James's moral core in rescuing Snape.

I'd be a little cautious about upsetting that, myself.


But then, it could be both a) and b). 

Derannimer wrote:
> Well, really, when you think about it, who *else*
> could it have been?
> 
> Sirius? Obviously not, since James heard from
> someone else.

Agreed. 

> Lupin? He wasn't even *in* on it. 

Unless he really was in on it. Evil!Lupin, you know. 
 
> Peter? 

Oh yes! That's where my money is. 
 
> No, I really don't think so. I'm trying to imagine
> Sirius telling 
> him, and I'm not sure that I see why he would. If
> Prank (Derannimer 
> keeps a watchful eye on the gamboling creature down
> at the other end 
> of the beach) was an act of impulse, and *not* a
> plan, then I don't 
> really think he'd tell anyone. Why bother?

Which brings us again to the question of how Lily
found out. 

> And if it
> *was* a plan, 
> then why would he tell *Peter?* Peter, who was never
> terribly 
> competant (at least, not that Good Guys knew of).
> Peter, who wasn't a 
> particularly powerful wizard. Peter, who, I strongly
> suspect, would 
> have started *snivelling* about the whole *idea.* 

Peter, who was one of his best friends and an ally
against Snape. I find it much more likely that Sirius
would tell Peter than Lily, actually. 

Of course, there's a third possibility. Lily or Peter
were there when Sirius passed the information on to
Snape. 

But, if Lily had heard the information, how would she
have known its moral import? She may have passed it on
to James, but she would not be thereby demonstrating
her moral core, since AFAIK she had no idea about what
was up. 

Peter, on the other hand, would know what was up. And
if he went and told James, but left the rescuing to
James, that would fit very well with his character. A
bit of a coward, our Peter. 

> And also, 
> who *cares* if it was Peter that tipped James off?
> Where's the Bang 
> in that? There's been no relationship shown of any
> kind between Peter 
> and Snape; and the relationship between Peter and
> James is about 
> Banged out. (If there is such a thing.)

Oh, Derannimer how can you say such a thing?

I admit there may be a Bang to Lily saving Snape's
life.  Wasn't that one of the Mercy theories? But I
really, really don't like Snape in Lily's life-debt,
since I think such an aspect of the plot would
necessarily have something to do with why Snape left
the Death Eaters, and I am a very solid Georgian (and
not just because George's a red-head). 

But given that there's things coming up with Peter,
and I doubt she's finished with the Prank, I wouldn't
write off the idea of the Peter angle yielding a Bang.


You want to know what?

Don't ask me. I'm always much more adept at talking
about what I don't want to see than what I want to
see. 

Eileen

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