OOP Death Eaters and more on Grindelwald

Brooke brookeshanks at mugglenet.com
Wed Jul 2 19:36:08 UTC 2003


No: HPFGUIDX 66820

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Michal" <clarivocal at y...> 
wrote:
> Oh, just read the book already!
> 
> Jenn:
> > 
> SNIP
> > As far as someone else being able to touch the Prophecy. 
Obviously, 
> after
> > its has been taken off the shelf the protection spell (the one 
that 
> turns
> > you loony) has been broken. Because Lucious asks for the prophecy 
> without
> > fear of being jinxed (by the prophecy) and HP later tosses it to 
> Neville who
> > holds it to no effect.
> 
> 
> AHA! But they are, in fact, the only two people who actually touch 
> it! What if other people couldn't actually touch it, and the reason 
> Neville could was because the prophecy IS about both him and Harry??
> 
> Maybe i'm just reaching here... I personally think that the 
prophecy 
> refers to Harry and only Harry, but there might be something to the 
> idea that the only two people who ever touched the prophecy without 
> going mad were Harry and Neville.
> 
> On a completely unrelated point, I wanted to comment on the 
> Grindelwald stuff. People have been speculating on whether it is 
> significant that Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald around the time 
> Voldie was at Hogwarts. We know from canon that Voldemort must have 
> graduated in 1945 (in CoS, Nick's Deathday cake shows his death as 
> having been 1492, and it's the fall, and it's his 500th death day. 
> This puts CoS in the 1992-93 schoolyear, and that's exactly 50 
years 
> after the year Tom Riddle was a 5th year, meaning his 7th year was 
> 1944-45). In chapter 6 of PS/SS (The Journey from Platform Nine and 
> Three Quarters), Harry discovers Albus Dumbledore's card, and it 
says 
> that DD defeated Grindelwald in 1945. Now, I don't know what any of 
> it means, but I've found (with guidance from Ms. Galadriel Waters) 
> that there is no such thing as a coincidence in the HP books, so 
I'm 
> excited to see if this particular one has any significant meaning.
> 
> I know this Grindelwald point has been discussed recently, but I 
> wanted to give concrete canon examples for the stuff that's been 
said 
> about it.
> 
> -Michal
> 
> P.S. Are we allowed to use html tags to change our fonts, or is 
that 
> a no-no because some people's e-mail servers can't read it?




Good point.  The whole Grindelwald thing has always irked me because 
I think there may be more to find out about his defeat.  Maybe Tom 
Riddle had been a young follower of Grindelwald while he was at 
Hogwarts & that's how he learned to master so many of the dark arts?  
Dumbledore certainly didn't teach Tom the unforgivable curses, etc 
Then once Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, Riddle realized that there 
was an immediate job opening for most evil wizard alive... I wonder 
if Grindelwald is an ancestor of one of the living characters?  I 
wonder if Dumbledore or his brother Aberforth ever had any offspring? 
 
Grindelwald was clearly an analogy to Hitler, with WWII ending in 
1945, the same year that D defeated G.  Voldemort seems to target 
mudbloods (and anyone else who opposes him).  I wonder what the basis 
of Grindelwald's evil was?  JKR normally reiterates those things that 
are important for the reader to remember.  Although I think it would 
make sense (and be really cool) if there was some sort of link from 
Grindelwald to Voldemort, I also believe that JKR would have kept 
bringing up Grindelwald in each book.  I don't really remember him 
been mentioned past the first book, but I could be wrong.  Anyone 
know? 

Brooke 





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