Harry is an ungratful spoiled brat. Was: Snape is evil

[darrin_burnett]

No: HPFGUIDX 67840

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, jazmyn <jazmyn at p...> wrote:
> Harry should go to Snape and beg forgiveness and thank him 
profusely for 
> all the times he has helped him.  Why?

Yes, why?

> Snape saved his worthless hide in his first year.

Yep, that counter-curse was really effective. Harry STILL nearly was 
killed and was only saved by his skill on a broom and Hermione's 
intervention.

Worthless hide? Well, considering that, for all of Snape's attempts 
to stop him, Quirrellmort still went after the stone, I wonder which 
was the more worthless? Once Harry met Quirrellmort, the stone was 
safe. 

> Snape risked exposing painful childhood memories to Harry, which 
showed what a bully James was.

Snape took out painful memories that showed James' bullying BEFORE 
the lessons. Would have been nice had he granted Harry the same 
courtesy, eh, considering that it was much more likely Snape would 
get through to Harry's memories than the reverse? 

Nope, Snape got to see all of Harry's bad memories. Oh, yes, painful 
childhood memories only matter if they are Snape's.

>Yes he tried to teach him occlumency anyways. Being as Harry looks 
>so much like James and that Snape hated James for a good reason, it 
>would be an aggravating thing for Snape to have to do.

Funny what a direct order from Dumbledore will do. And he still 
risked the Order's cause by refusing to teach Harry.

> Snape gave fake Veritaserum to Umbridge.

Which Harry was smart enough not to take anyway, so we don't know if 
it was fake or not. It probably was, though. Had Harry taken it and 
it was real, my guess is Snapey would have had some explaining to do 
to D-Dore.

> Snape warned the Order after realizing that Harry had a vision 
about Sirius despite his hatred of him, then went to look for Harry 
in the forest, which with the way the centaurs were behaving, would 
have been far more dangerous then normal.

How much do you think Snape's life would have been to Dumbledore had 
he NOT warned the Order? And we have only Snape's word that he went 
into the Forest. In fact, we don't know that he did at all.

Pge 732. "In the meantime, he, Prof. Snape, intended to search the 
Forest for you."

Don't know if he got there, do we?

>If Snape were evil, he would have not warned anyone or risked life 
>and limb to go into the forest.  One guesses that Snape saved 
>Umbridge's worthless hide during that little trip, much as he likely 
>despised her.

Maybe one guesses, but that one wouldn't have read the book. It 
clearly says Dumbledore went in to get her, page 748. 

> Dumbledore trusts Snape and repeatedly defends him.

Like he trusted Moody? Like he hired Lockhart? Like he gave evidence 
that Sirius was guilty?

Like I've said, the fact that this trust keeps getting harped on 
makes me more suspicous of it to begin with. Something to do with 
protesting too much.

> Grumpiness and bad temper do not an evil person make.  You can have 
> cheerful evil people and grumpy good people.  With Snape's 
>obviously bad childhood, its no wonder he lacks a bubbly 
personality.  

As I continually say with Draco, Harry had a bad childhood too. At 
some point, you grow up and get on with it, or you wallow in your 15-
year-old self forever.

>Being as he changed sides and left the DEs shows a great deal of 
>willpower and strength on his part.

If he has truly changed.
 
> Harry tries to transfer blame to Snape, when in fact, Harry is to 
>blame for what happened to Sirius. If Harry had listened to the 
>adults trying to help him, had listened to Snape, Sirius would have 
>lived.

So, Snape is given a free pass for his feelings and his failure to 
overcome them, but Harry has to behave perfectly in the throes of his 
grief? Nice double standard.

 
> Harry often uses Snape as a measure of how bad something is. ie. 
> Something being better or worse then Potions Class with Snape.  
Till he  found out the truth about his father, he felt not a bit of 
regret about his feelings about Snape and is in fact angry that he 
feels sorry for him, but doesn't say anything to Snape about it.  

Maybe Severus physically assaulting him and telling him he never 
wanted to see him in his office AND deliberatly sabotaging 
legitimately done work in Potions class (tell me again how that is 
justified while Harry can't misplace his anger after Sirius dies?) 
had something to do with it.

>What would Sererus say if Harry said, "I'm sorry my father was a 
>bullying worthless git, but I'm not my father and  hope to prove 
myself a better person."

My guess is that he would sneer and say, "I told you so."

But hey, if you're only going to be happy if Harry grovels on bended 
knee, then more power...

> Without Sirius and with the need for harry to learn to block 
>Voldemort even more important, will Snape try to train him again?  

If so, one can only hope he grows up and stops hating the son for the 
sins of the father. After all, it's only been 25 years.

But I guess immaturity is part of what makes Snape so "complex."

Darrin
-- I love the 80s moment: "The plot of Joanie Loves Chachi 
was: 'Let's drain the last drop we can out of Happy Days.'"