Once a DE, always a DE? (was: Harry is ... brat)

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No: HPFGUIDX 67878

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at y...> wrote:
> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "Melody" <Malady579 at h...> 
wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm.  You got me wondering, which I guess I why I read this 
> site.  :D
> > 
> > Was Snape's decision to stop teaching Harry Occulmency a direct 
and
> > purposely harmful to the mission action on Snape's behalf?
> > 
> > I say no.  Snape did not stop teaching Harry to hurt the Order.  
He
> > did it because it was too hard for him.  Dumbledore admits it 
when 
> he
> > is reflecting back with Harry at the end.  > > and I do not 
blame him for not dealing with them since James is dead
> > and Snape does not *have* to see him.  Snape agreed to teach 
Harry
> > because it was what Dumbledore wanted and also because 
Dumbledore 
> was
> > so busy.  Snape did his duty despite these problems in his life 
that
> > might or might not have to do with him becoming a DE.  
> > 
> > Snape is trying to teach Harry.  He is trying to follow orders.  
> And,
> > he did up until it became beyond bearable for him.  He tried his
> > hardest, and it was just not enough. 

> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Melody
> 
> Melody, I adore redemption stories and I do believe that soul can 
> change for good. It happens more often  in fiction than in real 
life 
> in my opinion, but that's why I love characters seeking redemption 
so 
> much.
> 
> 
> I am questioning though whether Severus fulfilled his duty by just 
> agreeing to teach Harry not renewing the lessons afterwards.
> I do blame him for not seeing that Harry is not James and yes, I 
> worry very much that Snape disobeyed Dumbledore. The stakes were 
way 
> too high. 
> 
> Add this to the fact that with evey book "Dumbledore's "I trust 
him" 
> mean less an less to me.
> 
> Don't worry, though, I place the lion share of blame for this 
fiasco 
> and for Sirius' death in particular on Dumbledore.
> 
> As I said earlier (couple weeks ago), I don't consider Albus to be 
an 
> intelligent character anymore.
> I even think now that Minerva will make  a better leader for the 
> order now. Sorry!
> 
> Alla

When Snape went to the woods looking for Harry, he was rectifying a 
horrible mistake. Snape took his memories of his youth and put them 
in the pensieve to protect himself. Harry had no such protection. 
Again and again Snape plumbed his worst memories. To say that the 
cost was too high to Snape....It is still inexcusable. Snape quit 
teaching Harry AFTER he saw Voldemort's vision of the door in 
Harry's mind. He knew the danger. If it was TOO PAINFUL he should 
have told Dumbledore and had someone else assigned to teach Harry. 
Since Occlumency is a learned skill, he and Dumbledore cannot be the 
only ones who could teach him.

I consider Dumbledore to be a very intelligent character. I think he 
is deeply mistaken for a great deal of his apology. The very thing 
that Dumbledore feared, Voldemort accessing Harry's mind, came to 
pass. He has not just his safety but the safety of the whole OoP to 
be responsible for. What if during an Occlumency lesson with Harry 
(and since Harry WANTED to see the visions and thus didn't try to 
master this skill) Voldemort had accessed Harry's mind and through 
his Dumbledores. He was completey right to be afraid of this 
happening. 

I think he is extremely intelligent, except that he makes apologies 
he doesn't necessarily know. 

As I've said before, I think a large part of the blame for Harry's 
problems in this book rest with Molly Weasley. If she had not 
stopped Harry, Sirius would have, rightly, answered all of Harry's 
questions at the start. 

dorothy