[HPforGrownups] Moody, sexism regarding Hermione , Grindelwald's importance

[Shaun Hately]

No: HPFGUIDX 69837

On 13 Jul 2003 at 5:09, Dan Feeney wrote:

> Regarding Snape's funny line - "I see no difference" - every 
> book is filled with such nasty statements, often from Snape and 
> directed at the Griffs, but none are as funny. The whining on the 
> list seems to be either cute kid in the movie contamination - since 
> the Hermione of the books has always been nasty when necessary, just 
> as she is almost always whatever she needs to be when necessary - or 
> sexism, as in "but she's a young girl and looks are secretly 
> everything to them." I'm glad Snape said that, because it made me 
> laugh, and because it made those both pro and anti Snape laugh, and 
> the Snape neutrals as well. But the huge number of posts on the list 
> about it really only tells me that the pro Hermione's and the anti-
> Snapers are over-compensating for the fact that they laughed, with a 
> dose of the above-mentioned sexism to boot. It needs no more 
> justification for Snape to have said than Snape's initial interaction 
> with HP. It was a brilliant moment for Snape, and anything other than 
> offhand would have ruined the joke. Like some on the list seem to be 
> trying to do. But they will fail. Oh yes, the line will remain funny.


You know, this thing probably be as big an issue for me, if it wasn't 
for people saying things like this.

Apparently, in your opinion, it's 'whining' to object to the concept of 
a teacher abusing a child. Apparently, a teacher abusing a child is 
funny to you and because it's funny, it somehow becomes acceptable.

The fact it may be funny doesn't change it's reality. Just because 
something may strike you as funny doesn't make it a good thing.

I don't think Hermione is a cute kid. It doesn't matter what type of kid 
she is. A kid can be a sweet, little innocent, or a complete and utter 
piece of scum - and that doesn't change the wrongness of abusing them.

Abuse is abuse is abuse - whether the victim is cute or hideous, whether 
it seems funny or not.

I'm also not sexist. My reaction to the wrongness of Snape's actions 
would be just as strong if it happened to Ron, or to Harry, or to Draco, 
for that matter. The fact that it happened to Hermione doesn't make it 
any worse because she's a girl.

You know, I find it fascinating that you seem to feel so strongly about 
this issue, that you need to assign your particular perceptions of 
people to their arguments.

I don't think I'm whining. I'm simply giving my opinion on a discussion 
list, and while I think those defending Snape are wrong, I don't feel 
any need to make disparaging comments about them. Because I can 
understand the difference between the arguments a person is making, and 
their character.

I know I don't think of Hermione as a cute kid. Quite the opposite - 
that girl has steel in her, and a great deal of strength.

And I know my views are not influenced one iota by her gender.

I simply believe that Snape crossed a line - he went too far.

Yes, I found the line funny. I'm not ashamed of that. I read the books 
for enjoyment.

You want to attack my ideas, please, go ahead. Show everybody how I'm 
wrong, attack my arguments and those of the others who hold similar 
positions to me. Plenty of people do this - they have no problems doing 
it.

But I'm not going to wear your little labels, especially not when they 
suggest I am something as revolting and disgusting as a sexist.

Yours Without Wax, Dreadnought
Shaun Hately | www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/thelab.html
(ISTJ)       | drednort at alphalink.com.au | ICQ: 6898200 
"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one
thing in common. They don't alter their views to fit the 
facts. They alter the facts to fit the views. Which can be 
uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that 
need altering." The Doctor - Doctor Who: The Face of Evil
Where am I: Frankston, Victoria, Australia